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Any Freeper Espousing Racial/Ethnic/Religious Hatred is Hurting the War Effort
zook | now | Me

Posted on 09/16/2001 3:19:21 PM PDT by zook

Freepers or anyone else who engage in bigoted attacks agains Arab Americans or innocent Muslims in this country are engaging in seditious conduct. By stirring up internal division and animosity they are helping the enemy.

Some of us need to grow up, some need to shut up, and more need to speak up.


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To: Logophile
What do you mean by "moslem power structure"? As far as I know, no such thing exists. There is no Moslem equivalent of the Pope, for instance. In other words, no one speaks for all of Islam.

Sure. There are, however, Mullahs (clerics with a small following) and Ayatollahs (clerics with a large following), according to my understanding. Please correct me if I am in error on this point.

The very fact that there are many quasi-independent clerics who have not acted is disturbing.

I do seem to recall that several organizations of Moslems in this country have condemned the attacks. I am sure you can find their statements, if you really try.

Another poster was kind enough to locate three such items. However, there is a difference between saying the attacks were bad, and condemning in strong, clear language the vermin that murdered our people. As nearly as I can tell, this has not been done.

Note too that Afghanistan has threatened to declare a Jihad against the US if that country is bombed. Where are the moslem clerics who will return the favor? If they are in fact independent, why doesn't one - at least one! - declare a Jihad against the taliban? Or Oscuma bint Larden?

As I said earlier, their silence causes me to wonder.

141 posted on 09/16/2001 5:30:08 PM PDT by neutrino (neutrino)
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To: jess35
We are not at war with the majority of Muslims in the world. Please stop trying to whip up a Holy war with the Good Christians vs the EVIL Muslims. This isn't the time to be a religious opportunist.

Hate to splash the cold water of reality in your face, but the majority of Muslims in the world HATE the USA and are happy as pigs in slop over what happened.

And by the way, we are one or two more attacks away from interning nationals from suspect countries.

Count on it.


142 posted on 09/16/2001 5:35:22 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: any, especially Libs
The real issue is that they already hate us. The next attack will probably kill millions and then I'll come back on this thread and hear the same, tired, multicultural equivocation we see here. Sorry but all cultures are not equal(big surprise? shouldn't be they declared war 20 years ago). Just because stupid liberals can't tell the difference between racism and worldwide Holy War doesn't mean we have to die for them. If anything, adding PC spin like 'racism' to a debate about the slaughter of our citizens is just short of treason. We should not let liberal ignorance and confusion keep us from identifying and destroying the cause of these murders, Jihad against the West. The rest is just spin IMO.
143 posted on 09/16/2001 5:36:31 PM PDT by Darheel
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To: Matchett-PI
My two college-age daughters heard of an episode of harrassment of an Arab fellow last week by two guys near the UT campus.

Those two guys are lucky my daughters weren't around when it happened.

144 posted on 09/16/2001 5:37:08 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: Publius6961
And if you noticed carefully, once they realized some serious wup ass was on its way, several Muslim countries which have been harboring terrorists for decades found real "religion" too.

Yes, talk is cheap. And govenments which practice oppression and murder will not hesitate to lie to us about their intentions. (Even our own government has done so.)

But the fact that some people lie does not mean everyone does. I have yet to see any evidence that the Moslems in this country who have spoken out against the terrorist attacks have been insincere. Have you?

By the way, do you actually know any Moslems?

145 posted on 09/16/2001 5:37:19 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: zook
Here Here
146 posted on 09/16/2001 5:38:36 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: jauntybeesting
And if THAT is the case, that Free Republic-tolerated consensus that allows open discussion and "attaboy" advocacy about killing Palestinians puts all Arab-Americans at lethal risk.

Of course, your pro-muslim incitements have no effect whatsoever. Just in case you haven't noticed, all the terrorists identified so far have been Muslims (not a Christian Arab in the bunch), they have left suicide notes praising Islam and claiming their imminent reward.

Thousands of my fellow citizens are dead, and the sensitivities of Arabs in my country are not nearly as much of a concern as the grief of tens of thousands touched by the Muslim Mass Murder.

I am not promoting concentration camps, you are. I am not promoting beating or shooting citizens of Arab descent.

I am supporting the deportation of every illegal Muslim of any race in this country, including students, pilot trainees and those learning American military tactics.

There are an unknown number of terrorists still loose among us, and catching the animals is the paramount priority. If I am mistaken for a Muslim and stopped, I will accept it cheerfully and thank the authorities for the attempt.

I am an American (notice no hyphen?).

147 posted on 09/16/2001 5:39:43 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: the_doc
Those two guys are lucky my daughters weren't around when it happened.

Sure. What exactly would your daughters have done?

148 posted on 09/16/2001 5:42:21 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: monkeywrench
You'll never see the kife comin', girl, til it's firmly in your back.

These totalitarians have been at war with America from within for decades. They use a different MO than physical attack and force, but the subversive nature of their war and agenda is a bigger threat to our constitution and freedom than the threat we can physically squash.

149 posted on 09/16/2001 5:45:17 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: ArneFufkin
They probably would have broken the guys' knees.
150 posted on 09/16/2001 5:49:17 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: ArneFufkin
I hate these media jackals. If Frank Rich or Dan Rather were in my "swing-zone" .... to the moon.

I suspect your are more alluring than Ralph and even more than Trixie or Alice. The left is putting out this trash. I've repeated it more than once but for those who missed it:

The Communist Party USA started the civil rights angle:

"Innocent Arab people both at home and abroad and immigrants across the U.S. face a danger of racist and xenophobic attacks. We call on the Bush Administration, and all state and local authorities to take measures to guarantee everyone's safety. The danger is that the cycle of violence will spiral out of control with more death and destruction." Communist Party USA press release September 12, 2001

Hillary Clinton echoed it today:

"We must hold on now and not start pointing fingers at Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans"

The New York Times ran an article today on a rise of "xenophobia"

There are virtually no reprisals against anyone in America. But the left would have us think there are or might be. The left wants Americans to believe a few isolated evil acts are comparable to what occurred in NYC and DC. Dan Rather and the CBS evening news just ran a piece about how Moslems in America are being persecuted.

The Communist party, the socialists, the Democrat Party, CBS and others are all on the same page. The New York Times ran an article today and lamented a rise in xenophobia.

The left knows they cannot bash Bush, they know it is not business as usual, but they are laying the groundwork for when this is all over. They will give Bush, our military and America only the support polls tell them is needed. Schumer, Hillary, Nadler and others will turn in a heartbeat when there are, as there will be, reversals, when there are more American deaths.

Btw...I knew Art Carney and you are no Art Carney. However...if you ever want to climb down into a the sanitation dept with me....freep mail me...

151 posted on 09/16/2001 5:49:48 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Rome2000
And by the way, we are one or two more attacks away from interning nationals from suspect countries.

After the military procrastination we've experienced so far, this is a virtual certainty.

nd after the next round of mass murder, the same clueless crowd will, like deer in the headlight, mindlessly mumble...
Maybe we just didn't talk nice enough to them; there are lots of good muslims. Let's find those terrorists and send flowers to the terrorists in the training camps all over the middle east.

152 posted on 09/16/2001 5:52:56 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: zook
And BTW, I resent that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bigoted racist. It is hypocritical on its face, and a slap to American patriotism to call those who wear the uniform racists. Everyone is upset and everyone says incendiary things, it is healthy to feel vengeful after an attack of this magnitude, it is unavoidable. I don't care what you say, I'll believe whatever I want.
153 posted on 09/16/2001 5:56:04 PM PDT by Darheel
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To: the_doc
Well, doc, you obviously passed along your knowledge of anatomy! :^)

I shouldn't have been flippant regarding your daughters. My apologies.

154 posted on 09/16/2001 5:56:18 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: AlaskaErik
Excuse me , but I wont be moving anytime soon. There is no room in America for people like you. I am 100% American and this is my country just as much as it is yours. Your attitude does not fit with the teachings and writings of our forefathers who faught the British so we could have this great land. My grandfather was not allowed to fight for his country in WWII because he was Black, what you stated is along the lines of thinking during is time. I currently serve my country proudly alone with other family members and I will die doing so. Once you speake of denying rights to others based on any reason, you better believe your rights will be next. Instead of focusing your hatred and anger towards others, why dont you stand up and fight for your country and the preservation of its rights. Or lend your support and help to those in New York and DC. I have spend my time yesterday down at the Salvation Army in Virginia, organizing the supplies for the Americans who are spending countless hours searching for those who died at the pentagon. So dont you dare say I have no place in this country.
155 posted on 09/16/2001 5:56:59 PM PDT by washington10
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To: zook
I understand your concern and share it, however the Islamic faith has up to now refuse to ostrisize (sp) its own members for attacking Christians or anything else. I will give them a chance to correct their shortcomings and do something about it.....
156 posted on 09/16/2001 5:58:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Logophile
I have yet to see any evidence that the Moslems in this country who have spoken out against the terrorist attacks have been insincere. Have you?
By the way, do you actually know any Moslems?

It's only been a five days, so I can't judge their sincerity.
of course, if the press and media report any future celebrations of the Mass Murder, I might begin to question their sincerity.

Yes, I have know several Muslims. The curious thing is that none of them deemed it necessary to dress as if their camels were parked outside, and I had no clue they were Muslim until a long time after meeting them.
They were close to their culture, but indistinguishable from me or you.

They are Americans.

157 posted on 09/16/2001 6:00:49 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: lavaroise
BECAUSE WITH NBC THREATS, WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR ERRORS. GOT THAT IN YOUR SKULL YET TRAITOR!?

When a kook calls you a traitor, you know you're doing something right.

158 posted on 09/16/2001 6:03:04 PM PDT by zook
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To: blake6900
BTW...I really haven't seen much "war effort", have you?

Everywhere I look I see preparation. Be patient. We'll do it right this time.

159 posted on 09/16/2001 6:04:37 PM PDT by zook
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To: Havisham
You shouldn't paint those legitimately concerned about enemies in the domestic muslim community with the same broad brush.

I'm not even talking about legitimate racial profiling. I'm talking about overt hatred and violence directed blindly at anyone with dark skin or a head covering. I'm talking about the "round 'em all up" attitude that I've seen in numerous replies here. I'm talking about the "Islam is the enemy" crap. We're bigger than that.

160 posted on 09/16/2001 6:07:46 PM PDT by zook
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