Posted on 09/15/2001 11:27:05 PM PDT by freedom_from_socialism
| From the Quran 2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, Islâmic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any protector nor helper.” 3:56: “As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” 3:118: “O you who believe! Take not as your helpers or friends those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the verses if you understand.” 3:178: “And let not the disbelievers think that Our postponing of their punishment is good for them. We postpone the punishment only so that they may increase in sinfulness. And for them is a disgracing torment.” 5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.” 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the wrongdoers.” 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.” 8:39: “And fight them until there is no more disbelief in Islam and the religion will all be for Allâh Alone...” 9:23: “O you who believe! Take not for supporters your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the wrong-doers.” 9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” 9:34: “O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder men from the Way of Allâh. And those who hoard up gold and silver, and spend it not in the Way of Allâh -- announce unto them a painful torment.” 9:123: “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the pious.” Quran, 9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”. |
And when we're done do we have pick up where the Inquisition left off as well, because certain Christians continue to be persecuted?
"I was showing the comparison between their sacred writings."
You haven't shown any such thing except a particularly nasty penchant for the liberal tactic of equivocating between Christianity and Islam.
Go to Democrats Underground where they'll appreciate your fallacious arguments.
They do not want this reality known, so they want these threads pulled ASAP every time.
Well keep on posting them, and satan can go to hell.
"Are we fighting terrorism or are we picking up where the Crusades left off?"
Whatever works to keep what happened last Tuesday from happening again is fine with me.
You, on the other hand, sound like one of those hand-wringing liberals during Vietnam that didn't want us to prosecute that war.
Whatever.
I must admit that I am not a student of ISLAM, I am however a sincere follower of the PERSON of Jesus Christ.
The strenghth of ANY "religion" lies not within its teachings, BUT rather in the PEOPLE who claim to be its "FOUNDERS".
My hope is built on nothing less than JESUS CHRIST and HIS righteousness. Not of works that I have done, but on the FINSHED work of Christ, God's Only Son.
David C. Osborne (For U.S. Senate in 2004)
AKA/ SSG Osborne, U.S. Army Military Police, Bosnia
I'm not an atheist, and I don't vouch for any of these sites, but if you examine some of them, you'll see what can be done with selective quotations.
Our Western monotheisms began with angry and jealous Gods. Islam, Christianity and Judaism have more in common than some would have you believe.
"It seems to me that the "appease the jihadist crowd" hates these posts like satan hates Holy Water, for a very good reason. They do not want this reality known, so they want these threads pulled ASAP every time."
I suspect the underlying feeling from most of the "appease the jihadists" here is not unlike that of the liberals trying to placate the commies: "If we're nice to them, and not say anything bad about them, maybe they'll be our friends."
Well, folks, Ronald Reagan had the balls to call the Soviet union "The Evil Empire," which consequently caused many a liberal to wet their pants.
If the Soviet Union was the "Evil Empire" and they never fired a shot at us in anger, what does that make Islam, which has just killed thousands of our own people in our own country?!?
Islam is the new "evil empire" and we had better get used to that, or we're going to be seeing a lot more incidents like those last Tuesday!
And let the hand-wringers and pants-wetters here go somewhere else if they don't like this kind of speech.
WE ARE AT WAR!!!
You have to prove that this actually happened. The ball is in your court. Maybe you'll have time after you've looked up the bible quotation sites I sent you.
If you think about it a minute, the existence of different bloodtypes makes this story highly improbable. If you think about it. If you think.
If you lost relatives or friends in the towers or elsewhere to terrorists, I'm sorry. That might explain.
It would be safe to say that virtually no Christian of today, at least, holds any Jihadish doctrine, where man has to coerce man into allegiance to their faith. The Catholic Church has disavowed their Inquisition; the Orthodox Church never believed in it; and it is not found in the New Testament, which is the basis of the Protestant denominations, except possibly for the period after Christ returns (and so far He hasn't).
The story is a bit different with some of the extreme forms of Judaism. The Old Testament/Torah speaks of Jewish conquests of the future for the Land of Israel, and some Jews think that is for right now while others say no, wait for the Messiah who is yet to come. However that is pretty much limited to Israeli-Arab fighting in the Middle East and internecine feuds within Judaism (it could be questioned whether the USS Liberty incident with America also reflected that spirit, but that's a debate for another day).
Islam has a Jihad for here and now hardcoded into their Koran.
11.15] Whoever desires this world's life and its finery, We will pay them in full their deeds therein, and they shall not be made to. suffer loss in respect of them.
[11.16] These are they for whom there is nothing but fire in the hereafter, and what they wrought in it shall go for nothing, and vain is what they do.
[11.17] Is he then who has with him clear proof from his Lord, and a witness from Him recites it and before it (is) the Book of Musa, a guide and a mercy? These believe in it; and whoever of the (different) parties disbelieves in it, surely it is the truth from your Lord, but most men do not believe.
[11.18] And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? These shall be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses shall say: These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely the curse of Allah is on the unjust.
[11.19] Who turn away from the path of Allah and desire to make it crooked; and they are disbelievers in the hereafter.
[11.20] These shall not escape in the earth, nor shall they have any guardians besides Allah; the punishment shall be doubled for them, they could not bear to hear and they did not see.
[11.21] These are they who have lost their souls, and what they forged is gone from them.
[11.22] Truly in the hereafter they are the greatest losers.
[11.23] Surely (as to) those who believe and do good and humble themselves to their Lord, these are the dwellers of the garden, in it they will abide.
[107.1] Have you considered him who calls the judgment a lie?
[107.2] That is the one who treats the orphan with harshness,
[107.3] And does not urge (others) to feed the poor.
[107.4] So woe to the praying ones,
[107.5] Who are unmindful of their prayers,
[107.6] Who do (good) to be seen,
[107.7] And withhold the necessaries of life.
That's intolerant too.
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