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Is Jerry Falwell America's Taliban?
9-14-2001 | brianbaldwin@hotmail.com

Posted on 09/14/2001 11:54:59 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin

Is Jerry Falwell America's Taliban?

I do not know a lot about Jerry Falwell since I am not interested in his religion. Of course, I am familiar with him as a media icon of sorts, and have seen him on television giving commentary on current events as a guest of news talk programs on the networks, such as MSNBC or FOX. Even though I do not necessarily agree with some of the viewpoints which I have heard him express, and since I have no interest in his religion there is sometimes a disconnection between reality as I see it and his religious viewpoint as to why things happen in this world, nevertheless I have admired some of his works and was positive about what I would call a bravery in his personality, a motif of bravery in his openness about his convictions. I want to again clarify, that I am not familiar with everything Reverend Falwell has said either in the past or present since I do not regularly listen to him and certainly do not count myself as one of his enthusiasts.

Of the little that I am familiar of him, my positive feelings about him have now changed due to a recent comment he has made, and I have to seriously ask whether he might be a nut or something, and I don't mean to call him a nut as an insult but rather question if he might have mental problems. Current events, as related to the recent terrorist attack by what appears to be the Osama Bin Laden network of Islamic terrorist fanatics and the religious nut-case government of the Taliban in Afghanistan all converged with this rather odd person's statement, the statement by this Falwell to the effect that America got what it deserved in the form of God's wrath as manifest in this terrorist attack, God's punishment on America because there are too many lesbians, homosexuals, and abortions in America.

Again, Reverend Falwell said in so many words is that civil liberties groups, homosexuals and abortion supporters are partially responsibility for the terrorist attacks which turned God's anger against America, and that what happened to the people in New York, (including one of my own) is "what we deserve".

hmmmm . . . Sounds like Jerry's god agrees with the same god those suicidal sammies who just murdered our people in N.Y. worship. In fact it sounds like Jerry's god and their god is the same god. Because, well, what he is saying is, and it really doesn't matter now if he denies that he is saying this because if what I have just quoted is accurate then he is in fact saying that his God, whoever that is, blew up the WTC because that is what we deserve because there are too many ACLU types and homos running around in America, abortion, etc..

Excuse me, but isn't that what he said? . . . and so, excuse me, but this man is a lunatic and please don't let him or his god anywhere near my house because I have children I have to protect from mentals.

Accounting for what I understand he said, then what this man is, is America's Taliban. Please do not let this man have any political say or power in this nation, because we don't need this kind of Taliban voodoo at any level of power or government in the good ol' USA because such a man if put in any position of leadership would be a menace to world stability and a possible inspiration for followers of this type of cultism to potentially engage in terrorism. It also worries me, and I have to ask, does President Bush have anything to do with this apparent mental case?

Now, as anyone who knows me will tell you, I am no friend of abortionists, and though I have some friends who are homosexual it is a fact that when it comes to political opinnion regarding some of the homosexual agenda the gays and lesbians radicals probably consider me Public Enemy Numer One as they do of Falwell, but . . . I have no doubt, considering the statement of Falwell, that if his type of cultism took over the country, while the Afghan Taliban is aggressive towards it's 'enemies' and the Falwell Taliban would likely not be engaged in systematic aggressive attacks on others - though even this could be possible - there is little doubt that the Falwell Taliban would indeed be a Taliban of sorts in America, and the end of liberty sacrificed to kookiness and live-choking oppression and terror.

There is a lot to admire about President Bush, especially in light of his handling of this recent act of war upon the United States. I hope the President or his Administration has made some comment regarding this scary and frankly lunatic statement by the Falwell preacher, denouncing it as it should. I am concerned that it appears this man might have some following, also the kookiness of his position is disconcerting because it is rather reminiscent of a few, very few but scary, Christians who call themselves supporters of Bush because they think, and quite frankly from the way they act seem to worship, Bush as some sort of Christian President of a status of infallibility - that is it would not matter what Bush did even if he started throwing baby kittens to their death out of Air Force One, it's all justified because he is Pope President of sorts, the infallible anointed President of The New Jerusalem, amen. Somebody better tell Bush, because I don't think he considers himself as such even though it appears some do.

My greatest respect goes to Christians, whom I love. In fact, one of my concerns is how Christians are being turned into the next Jews for the gas chambers by the liberal fascists. Secularism in government is very important, however, so I suppose that Mr. Falwell is eagerly expecting a terrorist truck bomb to slam into the front door of my house, the punishment vented by his god upon me for which I so richly deserve. Who knows, considering our current state of national security and intelligence operations this even might very well take place, but it certainly has nothing to do with God's vengeance upon me.


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To: AMMON-CENTRIST
You conservatives don't get it. America will be judged like other nations long ago!!!

I suppose you, like some of the other self-righteous on this thread, expect to be excluded from that judgment?

If it's God's judgment, then God must be using Isalmic fundamentalists to do it, right?

And, if it's God's judgment, then we shouldn't resist it, right?

You're need a little life experience, young man. Your "Christianity" is very immature.

141 posted on 09/15/2001 10:33:05 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
How does that jibe with the preceding paragraph...

You'll have to ask a priest, sink. The Church alone has the authority to interpret Public Revelation.

142 posted on 09/15/2001 10:33:32 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Larry thought he had sinned in a previous life to be suffering so in his present life, and Father Mateo corrected him, which in no way negates what Christianity teaches on the nature of sin and suffering.

Where did Larry say anything about a "previous life?" You made that up. Mateo was telling him that his suffering was NOT due to his sins.

Here, read this again. THIS is Catholic teaching:

There is not nor ever was, in all of Scripture and Church teaching, any equation between one's sufferings and the sins of one's past life.

I agree with you on many things, but you simply don't know Catholic teaching on sin and suffering.

Frankly, your understanding of sin and suffering (along with Falwell's) is a perversion.

143 posted on 09/15/2001 10:43:19 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
America will be judged. When will you all see that?? You are so blinded by your "American pride". You don't understand the truth of the matter!!
144 posted on 09/15/2001 10:48:47 AM PDT by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: sinkspur
Sin not only affects oneself, but the sinner's generations ahead also.
145 posted on 09/15/2001 11:00:59 AM PDT by LowOiL
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To: sinkspur
I stand corrected. Father Mateo said "past life" as a reference to the present life. As to the general statement about the nature of sin and suffering, that is what I was taught, and if you have contradictory teachings I would appreciate reading them.
146 posted on 09/15/2001 11:06:49 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
As to the general statement about the nature of sin and suffering, that is what I was taught, and if you have contradictory teachings I would appreciate reading them.

You were taught wrongly.

Here. Here is the Church's teaching on sin and suffering:

There is not nor ever was, in all of Scripture and Church teaching, any equation between one's sufferings and the sins of one's past life.

Father Mateo is as good a source as any.

147 posted on 09/15/2001 11:19:11 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: goodieD
That is utter rot. The left wing didn't have anything to do with the terrorist attacks. The so-called "feminized men" were scared. That's all. Just like anyone else would be.

Jerry Falwell is a blathering, self-serving idiot who does nothing but make Christians look bad. And Pat Robertson is no better. Their remarks do nothing but trivialize the tragedy and trivialize the deaths of the victims. They are attempting to instill fear in Americans, hoping that many will jump on their hateful bandwagon. Shame on them.
148 posted on 09/15/2001 11:23:21 AM PDT by BuddhaGirl
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To: Lowelljr
Sin not only affects oneself, but the sinner's generations ahead also.

That was a Jewish notion that Jesus condemned.

149 posted on 09/15/2001 11:23:24 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
In other words: God punishes those who act wrongly, and leaves it up to them to figure out why they are being punished.
150 posted on 09/15/2001 11:23:38 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: OWK
Without Jesus, Eternity is a HELL of a long time.
151 posted on 09/15/2001 1:39:09 PM PDT by Missiekins
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Is Jerry Falwell America's Taliban?

No, but only because he lacks the required resources. Falwell and Robertson are as much a disgrace to Christianity as Osama bin Laden is to Islam.

153 posted on 09/15/2001 3:51:05 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: danzaroni
Isn't that what the Muslim terrorists are saying?

I recall one local talk radio host doing the Earth in the Balance-or-Unabomber Manifesto game with Falwell & Robertson's comments paralleled to an Osama bin Laden rant about Western "decadence". The latter fit just as neatly as the former.

154 posted on 09/15/2001 3:53:16 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Jerry hasn't crashed any planes recently, has he?
155 posted on 09/15/2001 3:55:24 PM PDT by Hidden Scepter
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
he's already apologised

Er, no he hasn't. He gave a Clinton-worded "...if I left that impression..." statement. That is not an apology; that is an expression of regret that he got caught when decent people overheard him talking to his followers.

156 posted on 09/15/2001 3:56:26 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
After any tragedy, there's always some who say, "what's in it for my agenda?"

Exhibit A: Pat Robertson
Exhibit B: Jerry Falwell

157 posted on 09/15/2001 3:58:03 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: AlaskaErik
"Jerry Falwell is a blithering idiot. I wonder how much in contributions the Demonrats will receive as a result of this tirade. I can just see the clips of this being played endlessly in future election campaign commercials. What a coup for the Demonrats."

He is an example of exactly who the talaban is. The only difference is that he worships a different god.
158 posted on 09/15/2001 3:58:59 PM PDT by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: maxwell
My question to all religious-right types is, do you think this is a true and/or appropriate response? I'll be frank with you; in light of the sheer devastation of thousands of lives, it doesn't seem appropriate to me in the least. "My heart goes out to you, but you asked for it." Comes across as very un-Christian, IMHO. There is a time and a place for everything, and Bible-beating someone who just endured crushing loss is unbelievably gauche, and does the RR a disservice...

The Second Coming As Government Entitlement
159 posted on 09/15/2001 3:59:37 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Huck
We are the good guys. We were attacked because their is evil scum in the world who hate us.

We were attacked because medievalist tyrants believe -- quite correctly -- that our culture is undermining the institutions that keep them in power.

160 posted on 09/15/2001 4:00:50 PM PDT by steve-b
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