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To: MarkWar
Real issue at hand?! My. That would take an objective assessment of the situation. But _you_ don't believe objective assessments exist, and _you_ believe they would be _bad_ things if they did...

Listen, pal: an objective assessment of the situation would require you to know one thing about the history of journalism in order to discuss it with any sort of authenticity. Even the most jack-booted-thug of an opinionated journalist has "facts" to back up his case. You have none, not a scrap: discussing journalism with you is like trying to discuss World War II with a dimwit who thinks the Navy shoud've used jet planes to fend off the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.

You yearn for the "good ol' days" when journalists were trained as "objective" observers. You may as well yearn for the good ol' days when money grew on trees and was free for the picking, you idiot.

William Randolph Hearst was not objective. Neither was Horace Greely. Neither was William Lloyd Garrison. Neither was Alfred Ochs. Neither was Isaiah Thomas. Neither was Joseph Pulitzer. Neither were the Taylors. But I don't expect you to recognize any of these names: these are the men behind American journalism. If you knew one shred about American journalism history, you'd know this.

American journalism was founded and fueled by men who passionately promoted their particular agenda. Papers that tried to be "objective," like the Boston Transcript, folded because they had no readers. They had no readers because they were boring. They were boring because their stories had no angle, no slant. You cannot be a human being---even a "highly trained journalist" in your goofy jargon---and approach a story without a slant. It is patently impossible. I could prove it to you if you'd like, but it'd take a million years to prove it to a person as friggen dense as you.

Thank you, contemporary stupid young person. This exchange is the first thing that's made me smile in a long time. Have a good career.
"Stupid young person." That is the sum total of your argument. How proud your mamma must be.

I've been on Free Republic for going on 5 years now, and I've never been tempted to hit the abuse button before now. You are the biggest jackass I've ever encountered on Free Republic. You are all wind, all bluster. I've never encountered a poster more ignorant on the subject he or she was pontificating about. What a douche.


25 posted on 09/14/2001 11:23:16 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Ditto. There's never been objective journalism in this country. That was taught to me as I studied for my MA in journalism (University of Missouri 1996) and even before then, in history and polisci class.

The skill of a good journalist, however, is that you do your best to hide your biases and focus on the truth, or at least your perception of the truth. The best journalists in American history did this, indeed, the best journalists in history always have.

Also - broadcast journalism is by and large a joke. It tends not to attract the same intellects and print. Pretty faces, vapid minds. People criticize Jennings because he has no college degree, but they're just news readers. The best of them have no sense of self importance and focus on communicating the news accurately. They're infinitely replaceable. Hopefully that's not your sequence . . .

27 posted on 09/14/2001 2:30:58 PM PDT by motexva
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"Papers that tried to be 'objective,' like the Boston Transcript, folded because they had no readers. They had no readers because they were boring."

Why you just might have a point here.
Only today I was accused of being boring; by someone I'd respected.
All because I'd attempted objectivity when stating an opin.

A derivative form of, "Let no good deed go unpunished"?

Who knows.

28 posted on 09/14/2001 2:45:27 PM PDT by Landru
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To: Hemingway's Ghost; MarkWar
From my perspective (which neither of you may consider relevant) of your debate, I see decent points in both of your exchanges but I have to say one thing.

Mark, What_point_are_you_trying_to_make_with_this_underscore_business? Call me blind, but I can't read this crap!

126 posted on 08/20/2002 12:15:14 AM PDT by Looking4Truth
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I give you an A+ for delivering a written arse whooping. Please tell me you are on our side. LOL.


1,190 posted on 01/18/2007 6:47:24 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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