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France calls for American 'reason'
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 09/14/2001 | Harry de Quetteville and Toby Helm

Posted on 09/13/2001 6:19:54 PM PDT by dighton

POLITICAL leaders in France and Germany urged President Bush yesterday to avoid a belligerent response, as fears grew in Europe of the consequences of swift and ruthless military reaction to the terrorist attacks.

Lionel Jospin, the French Prime Minister, said the Americans should be "reasonable" in their response. Alain Richard, his defence minister, said the attacks were "not acts of war".

The comments, echoed by senior German ministers if not by the Chancellor, Gerhard Schroder, contradicted statements by President Bush and his Secretary of State Colin Powell.

M Jospin said: "We must vigorously condemn and combat terrorism. But we must not allow ourselves to be led into considerations of a conflict between the western world and the Islamic world, where we have many friends and partners."

The remarks from the Socialist prime minister were aimed at reassuring both the France's political Left and its Muslim population, which numbers six million. But they will be seen as further evidence of disagreements between France and America on big foreign policy issues.

The comments by M Richard will also undermine American confidence in France's commitment to joint reprisals as outlined by Nato members on Wednesday. He said: "I think that this was a terrorist attack of particular gravity.

"American democracy is clearly endangered by such action, but in my opinion a war is something else entirely." France disagrees with US policy on missile defence, the bombing of Iraq and what it sees as American cultural imperialism.

Rudolf Scharping, the German defence minister, also cautioned against launching swift military strikes. "I hope we all remain calm and do not now speak of a state of alarm. We do not face a war.

"We face the question of what is an appropriate response," he told German television. "Not in the sense of revenge and retribution, but in order to be able to fight and break international terror."

France's maverick health minister, Bernard Kouchner, went as far yesterday as to put the attacks down to a "series of errors" by America. "America's made a real mistake in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which was to train the Taliban," M Kouchner said.

"To think now that there is some kind of consensus of 'honourable' nations against the 'bad' terrorists, is simply not true."

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To: Liberal Classic
What would their reaction be to someone blowing up the Eiffel Tower? I bet they would be loaded for bear.

Nah. They'd be whimpering like little girls and begging someone to please do something!

221 posted on 09/14/2001 6:03:38 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Messianic_Zionist
"France calls for American 'reason'" France should be considered as the mouthpiece of the VATICAN. The Roman Catholics are very busy vying for their own place in the New World Order (the EU is really The Fourth Reich). As such, the United States should not be looking to NATO for 'affirmation'............

You're off your gob. You'd be lucky to find ten thousand real Catholics in all of France, the secular-humanist, anti-clerical capital of Europe.

222 posted on 09/14/2001 6:56:00 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: dighton
Why did the French build the Eiffel Tower? So the Germans could see their white flag from a greater distance.

What is the primary responsibility of the French Defence Minister? He makes and raises the white flag for the Eiffel Tower.

How come French women are so easy? They have to surrender faster than their army.

Hey France, give us some advice AFTER you win a war!

Pray for GW and NY!

223 posted on 09/14/2001 7:29:37 AM PDT by bray
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To: Mugwort
frogs hide in the pond

My chow chow dog captures the frogs from our pond. Then he brings them on to shore and tortures them a bit. Then he leaves them to die but never eats them since they are so disgusting.

(Uh, I hope some animal rights activists are reading this. ;-) )
224 posted on 09/14/2001 8:07:48 AM PDT by cgbg (cgbgjr@webtv.net)
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To: dighton
"Bunny calls for Frances' Lips on his Lily-White Butt."
225 posted on 09/14/2001 10:14:26 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: A+Bert
I'm logging off for a few days. [Expletives deleted.]

I won't count on that "few days" part. Never seen you so far over the line.

226 posted on 09/14/2001 11:23:35 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Cheney is of French origin and I'll take him over any of you Israeli Maggots who never won a real war. Stick it. The KKK probably has a less bigoted site than FR has become.
227 posted on 09/14/2001 11:31:30 AM PDT by A+Bert (Outta here)
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To: dighton
France calls for American 'reason'

Here's Reason

ULTIMA RATIO REGUM

(for you Neal Stephenson fans)

229 posted on 09/14/2001 11:45:02 AM PDT by adx
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To: A+Bert
Cheney is of French origin and I'll take him over any of you Israeli Maggots who never won a real war. Stick it. The KKK probably has a less bigoted site than FR has become.

I'm going to withhold judgement on your words until I've seen you posting while sober. Congrats on being the first person ever to call me an Israeli Maggot. (What would have to happen before your patriotism overcame your antisemitism?)

232 posted on 09/14/2001 12:08:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: peg the prophet
Vade, Are you an Israeli maggot? If so I apologize for all my berations. love, Peg

(Cue Meat Loaf album)
I will do anything for love, but if I'm an Israeli maggot Bert's the first one to tell me.

233 posted on 09/14/2001 12:11:56 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: A+Bert
I notice that there's now no current Freeper by the name of A+Bert.

And I'm still not betting on "a few days."

234 posted on 09/14/2001 12:53:40 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: dighton
We can always count on the French to be there when they need us.
235 posted on 09/14/2001 1:15:38 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: dighton
Now really what did you expect. They think Jerry Lewis is a God. I say our jets fly over France on the way to the battlefield very low and very loud just so the French women can see real men for a brief second.
237 posted on 09/14/2001 1:30:24 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: A+Bert
You, sir, are to be pitied. Do you require assistance? What a sad, lonely life you must lead. After dealing with our external enemies, I'm sure Americans can find you the help and understanding you need. Be well.
238 posted on 09/14/2001 2:26:22 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: A+Bert
The Europeans know the effects of war. They are getting ready to protect their butts if we start a MidEast or anti Muslim war. They want no part of that. Our ally will be Israel but she won't last long after the chaos starts.

The world Economies will collapse and most of you will be out of a job in cities where cannbalism will provide the only food supply.

A+Bert, you're being outlandish and ridiculous again. This time, however, you're right.

The terrorists can use black market tactical nukes, anthrax, and EMP bombs to bring our economy to its knees. The people who destroyed the WTC demonstrate strategic thinking and it's likely this was only Phase I. They have a Phase II in store for us. They're waiting for us to trip the wire by launching atrocities of our own against the innocents of the Arab world. Then they'll claim moral justification for whatever they do in response.

The wise course is to make sure our response is measured and targeted. We get the people who did this, and we make sure we make the world understand what monsters they are.

If we just go around trying to kick butt, we'll get our owned butts kicked big time.

We think we're invulnerable. We think we're Zeus up in the clouds, throwing down thunderbolts upon the helpless mortals. We're more like a bare-footed men stamping on a scorpion.

239 posted on 09/14/2001 2:38:13 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: Lazamataz
A+Bert has been banned as he has made comments over my email that has been observed as threatening (VERY). This shows the hatred these people have for us and that is the enemy we face. His last words to me was to make his comments public.

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A+Bert
2001-09-14 12:38:37
That Lazamataz Israeli Jew bastard has called me a traitor to America. I haven't felt like killing anyons since 1952. That Zionist Bastard has got to go or I go. I give you permission to make this correspondence public.


240 posted on 09/14/2001 2:40:32 PM PDT by smith288
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