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Believed to Be Safe, the Towers Proved Vulnerable to the Intense Heat of a Jet Fuel Fire [NYT]
The NY Times | 9/12/01 | James Glanz

Posted on 09/11/2001 8:06:15 PM PDT by summer

September 12, 2001

THE BUILDINGS

Believed to Be Safe, the Towers Proved Vulnerable to the Intense Heat of a Jet Fuel Fire

By JAMES GLANZ

The cause of the twin collapse yesterday of the World Trade Center towers in Downtown Manhattan was most likely the intense fire fed by thousands of gallons of jet fuel aboard the two jetliners that crashed into the buildings, experts on skyscraper design said.

The high temperatures, of perhaps 1,000 to 2,000 degrees, probably weakened the steel supports, the experts said, causing the external walls to buckle and allowing the floors above to fall almost straight down. That led to catastrophic failures of the rest of the buildings.

The towers were built to withstand the stresses of hurricane-force winds and to survive the heat of ordinary fires. After the 1993 trade center bombing, one of the engineers who worked on the towers' structural design in the 1960's even claimed that each one had been built to withstand the impact of a fully loaded, fully fueled Boeing 707, then the heaviest aircraft flying.

No engineer could have prepared for what happened yesterday, the experts said. "No structure could have sustained this kind of assault," said Richard M. Kielar, a spokesman for Tishman Realty and Construction Company, the construction manager for the original project.

The enormous heat from the jet fuel fire probably caused the steel trusses holding up concrete-slab floors and vertical steel columns to bend like soft plastic, said Jon Magnusson, chairman and chief executive of Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire in Seattle, a structural engineering firm that worked out the original design.

The skyscrapers had two means of defense against normal fire damage, Mr. Magnusson said. One, thick layers of insulation sprayed onto the steel beams, could have been breached by the initial crash, he said. Another, the building's sprinkler system, may have been disabled as well, or it may simply have been useless in the heat of the jet fuel fire.

Although they resisted collapse immediately after the planes' first impact, the hundreds of steel columns spaced around the outer facing of each tower eventually failed.

"They buckled outward and then the floors came down," said Mr. Magnusson, who warned that no conclusions could be reached yesterday since the information available was so sketchy.

Other experts agreed that the extreme conditions caused by the fire, and not unusual vulnerabilities of the buildings, were the likely causes of the collapse.

"There isn't anything particularly vulnerable about it," said Aine Brazil of Thornton-Tomasetti Engineers in New York, a structural engineering firm that worked on the Petronas Towers, the world's largest buildings, in Malaysia.

Buildings are simply not designed to withstand "the extreme levels of heat that would be found in the situation with the amount of jet fuel and the explosion that occurred," Ms. Brazil said.

Mr. Kielar, the Tishman spokesman, said it was too early to piece together a precise train of events, but he agreed that weakening by fire, followed by catastrophic collapse of the floors, was the most likely possibility. "As the structure warped and weakened at the top of each tower, it — along with concrete slabs, furniture, file cabinets and other materials — became an enormous consolidated weight that eventually, progressively crushed each tower below," he said in a statement.

The later collapse of the smaller 7 World Trade Center could have been caused by a combination of falling debris and a less intense fire — one not accelerated by jet fuel — lasting several hours, said Brian McIntyre, chief operating officer of Skilling Ward. Such a building is "basically designed to resist heat buildup for three hours," he said.

The structural design of the two towers, fairly common now, was considered innovative in its day. Instead of the heavy internal bracing and heavy exterior masonry of, for example, the Empire State Building, the designers of the trade center towers chose a light, glass-and-steel facing threaded by steel columns. Those columns, 61 on each side, gave the towers most of their stiffness and largely held them up, said Dr. John Schuring, a professor and chairman of civil engineering at the New Jersey Institute of Technology.

"The major strength of the building is in its skin," Dr. Schuring said.

There was also a cluster of columns in the center, supporting structures like the stairs and elevators, he said. A network of steel trusses ran between the two sets of columns, holding up each concrete floor and providing further strength to the buildings.

A special set of plates on each floor ran among the trusses, serving to dampen stresses on the buildings caused by winds of up to 200 miles per hour, said Dr. Jack Cermak, president of Cermak Peterka Peterson in Fort Collins, Colo., the firm that did the wind-tunnel testing for the design of the towers.

Dr. Cermak agreed that the impact of the crash itself probably could not have collapsed the massively reinforced building on its own.

"I presume, without knowing the details, that that collapse was caused by weakening of the structure due to the heat," Dr. Cermak said.

Matthys Levy, an architect at Weidlinger Associates and the author of "Why Buildings Fall Down" (Norton, 1992), watched the first tower collapse while standing at Seventh Avenue and Houston Streets, some 20 blocks away.

"I saw the beginning of the top moving down, and the whole thing collapsed in a cloud of smoke," Mr. Levy said. "From what I saw, it seemed to come straight down."

Mr. Levy said the situation was much different from the one that occurred in 1945 when a much smaller plane slammed into the Empire State Building.

That plane, a bomber with a smaller impact and less fuel, ripped a 20-foot hole in the structure, but the building remained standing.

There was some disagreement yesterday about whether, decades later, the trade center towers had been designed to withstand an impact from an airliner filled with fuel.

The engineer who said after the 1993 bombing that the towers could withstand a Boeing 707, Leslie Robertson, was not available for comment yesterday, a partner at his Manhattan firm said.

"We're going to hold off on speaking to the media," said the partner, Rick Zottola, at Leslie E. Robertson Associates. "We'd like to reserve our first comments to our national security systems, F.B.I. and so on."

But Anthony G. Cracchiolo, director of priority capital programs for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owned the buildings, said little thought had been given to the possibility of a plane crash into the towers.

"We never were asked to consider trying to protect the building from such a threat," said Mr. Cracchiolo, who was among those who coordinated the reconstruction after the 1993 bombing. "As structural engineers, there is nothing we could have done to protect the building from a direct impact from a plane as large as these."

Melvin Schweitzer, a member of the Port Authority board of commissioners from 1993 to 1999, said, however, that the board repeatedly inquired about that possibility. "We were just told that architects had explained that the building was designed to withstand a jet," Mr. Schweitzer said. "Frankly, when we raised that question, most of us were thinking of a small plane."

The architectural firm for the trade center, Minoru Yamasaki Associates of Rochester Hills, Mich., declined to answer specific questions about the collapse, and issued only a brief statement.

"The company has been in contact with law enforcement authorities, and we will provide any assistance we can to aid the rescue efforts," the statement said. "In this time of national emergency, we believe that any speculation regarding the specifics of these tragic events would be irresponsible."


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To: Jim Boyd
Jim, Thank you so very much for your informative post #8. You have added so much to this thread's discussion.

Sincerely,
summer
21 posted on 09/12/2001 9:07:49 AM PDT by summer
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To: arcane
Fascinating info in your post #9 -- thanks for sharing it.
22 posted on 09/12/2001 9:08:43 AM PDT by summer
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Re your post #17

Thank you so much for adding a new link with different information, to genuinely add to this discussion.

Sincerely, summer
23 posted on 09/12/2001 9:11:08 AM PDT by summer
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To: daviddennis
It is my opinion that the controlled demolition effect may have even been unintentional; they knew they would mortally wound the structures for the purpose of human habitation simply through the fire, and there would really be no point in going any further.

Agreed. If they had the means to bomb, I would think it more likely that they would have bombed other buildings after the plane crashes - *that's* your diversion/follow-up, not two attacks on the same structure.
24 posted on 09/12/2001 9:14:26 AM PDT by BostonGuy
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To: daviddennis
For what it's worth, I was amazed at how similar the collapse was to photographs of controlled demolition

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Thank you SO much for pointing that out -- I could not figure out yesterday what exactly I recalled that seemed so similiar to me, visually. Yet, I was sure: I have seen something like that picture before....but where?
25 posted on 09/12/2001 9:14:52 AM PDT by summer
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To: BostonGuy
- *that's* your diversion/follow-up

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Great point about what actually would have constituted a diversion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this thread.
26 posted on 09/12/2001 9:16:34 AM PDT by summer
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To: enfield
The outside steel columns would have been under compression, as you say. However, the columns were bound together with beams which criss-crossed the floors. Those beams would have been under tension.
27 posted on 09/12/2001 9:23:01 AM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: JeanS, PhiKapMom, Miss Marple, Dog Gone, Citizen Reporter, admin Moderator, Jim Robinson
Re your post #3 and my reply #5 on this thread.

JeanS,

I am making a sincere and serious effort to have you banned from this forum for at least a year. Here is why, and I am publicly stating my reasons in an effort to disuade your other poster friends from agreeing to harass me pursuant to your obvious requests to them.

(1) I asked you nicely -- please do not write to me any more. I asked this of you after you attacked me on another thread.

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28 posted on 09/12/2001 9:25:43 AM PDT by summer
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To: eggman, Jim Boyd
Can a stronger steel be used, or one more fire resistant? How about some combination of titanium/stronger steel for some of the beam and regular steel for others? I know its not possible to plan for everything, nor is it cost efficient. It seems as though these days it may be prudent to spend a little more if you want to build a landmark building.

patent

29 posted on 09/12/2001 9:30:30 AM PDT by patent
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion, poet, LarryLied, HalfIrish, Eagle Eyes, Palladin
To friends of JeanS, and other people like JeanS:

See my post #28 on this thread, FYI.

Sincerely,
summer
30 posted on 09/12/2001 9:43:56 AM PDT by summer
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To: Bryan, Carrie_Oakie
See my post #28 on this thread. Thanks, summer
31 posted on 09/12/2001 9:44:50 AM PDT by summer
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To: big ern
Please see my post # 28 on this thread. I meant to include you in post #30. Thanks, and have a nice day. summer
32 posted on 09/12/2001 9:47:18 AM PDT by summer
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To: PhiKapMom, Miss Marple, Citizen Reporter
Also -- Please see my posts #30 and #32. BTW, I do not believe the people I posted to in #31 are a problem, but instead, have been misled by JeanS, who continues to be THE major problem for me at this time. Thanks.
33 posted on 09/12/2001 9:49:55 AM PDT by summer
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To: patent
It seems as though these days it may be prudent to spend a little more if you want to build a landmark building.

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patent, IMO, great point. Thanks for sharing it. summer
34 posted on 09/12/2001 9:51:20 AM PDT by summer
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To: all
Why hasn't anyone said WEIGHT. Do you know what a plane like these weigh. Add fire of all that jet fuel and the intitial impact, it is easy to see how these towers came down.

Note ... the impact took out a large number of outside building supports.

Note ... the fire consumed several floors immediately.

Note ... they chose some of the heaviest common planes.

If you carefully examine the collaspe sequence you will see the top floors came down on top of the 'on fire floors', then a chain reaction progressed as the weight(gravity) brought the buildings down one floor at a time. The added weight of the A/C played a role in the final collaspe, IMHO. I happen to have a DVR-TIVO hooked up and in slow-mo frame stop mode you clearly can see the sequence.

This was a sophisticated attack. As a engineer it is not clear how you defend a building against such a catastrophic attack. But I am sure engineers the world over will be looking for a solution since the vulnerability is now crystal clear.

snooker

37 posted on 09/12/2001 10:01:16 AM PDT by snooker
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To: Jim Boyd
For the record, I believe that the OK City building was brought down by contact explosives
I'd like to hear *your* qualified explanation of what caused the widespread destruction in downtown OKC then - you know, the vehicles destroyed in the parking lot across from the Murrah building, what caused them to ignite, what caused the *structural* damage to several buildings in the area as well - you know, SMALL stuff that could be worked back to calculate the 'yield' of McVeigh's bomb and *disprove* this cockeyed 'contact explosive' theory that is also adhered to by ex-Gen Partin ...

BTW - Have you ever read the extensive report (The Oklahoma City Bombing: Improving Building Performance Through Multi-Hazard Mitigation) prepared by crack contingent of scientists/engineers/professors belonging the American Society of Civil Egineers?

Did you also know that the boys US Corps of Engineers Protective design Center :

http://pdc.nwo.usace.army.mil/protective_design_center_history.html

think it was an outside bomb which damaged the structure - which eventually then led to it's collapse?

http://pdc.nwo.usace.army.mil/protective_design_center_history.html#Postevent Surveys


40 posted on 09/12/2001 10:52:37 AM PDT by _Jim
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