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Why the towers collapsed: hit at vulnerable point
Salon ^ | 9/11/01 | Bill Wyman

Posted on 09/11/2001 4:27:20 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes

Sept. 11, 2001 |
The World Trade Center's twin towers were the tallest buildings in the world at the time of their opening in 1970. They each stood 110 stories and more than 1,300 feet tall. They are the dominant features in an enormous office complex totaling more than 9 million square feet of office space and together make up one of the most recognizable architectural landmarks in the world.

Today they were reduced to heaps of rubble after one of the worst catastrophes in U.S. history. A pair of jetliners crashed into them Tuesday morning -- at precisely the points at which they would do the most damage, according to architectural experts. The impacts created fires and, ultimately, brought about the collapse of both buildings.

Why did the buildings collapse?
According to Gregory Fenves, a professor of Civil Engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, the planes weakened the buildings' structures at key points. Fenves, working on information gleaned from preliminary TV reports, stressed that he was speculating. He said that if the planes had hit the structures higher, they could have merely damaged their tops; if they had hit lower, they would have been up against the enormous weight and resistance of the base of the buildings.

The buildings were architecturally interesting in many ways. Each structure is based on a central steel core, which is surrounded by the outside wall, a 209-foot by 209-foot cube of 18-inch tubular steel columns, set 22 inches apart. The cores and "tube walls" share the enormous physical weight of the structures and protect them against the extraordinary wind forces of buildings that tall. There are trusses that support each floor, but no other columns between the cores and outside walls. Some floors contain nearly 40,000 square feet of open office space.

News reports said the planes were jetliners, a 757 and a 767. The 757 has a 124-foot wingspan, is 155 feet long and can weigh 100 tons. A 767 is bigger, with a 156-foot wingspan and 159-foot length and can weigh a maximum of 200 tons. (A 747 is more than 200 feet long and can weigh 400 tons.)
The planes hit the buildings near the 70th or 80th floors. Their impact severely damaged the tube walls, which carried a large proportion of the buildings' weight. CNN footage of the second plane hitting a tower appeared to show that a large part of the jetliner went all the way through the building, suggesting that the interior core was also damaged.

Once a building like a World Trade Center tower loses some of its support, the building in effect goes to work, Fenves said. "The loads are trying to redistribute," he said. "The loads are figuring out how to get back down to the ground." At the same time, he noted, the fires are deforming the physical properties of the support steel.

"It's a very rugged system," he said. "It takes a long time for the collapse mechanism to develop. It's not like kicking the leg out from underneath a chair. The building is 200-foot square and there's a lot of structural system there."

But once the upper floors began to give way, terrible force was set in motion. Each floor of a building that big might weigh 6 million pounds, he said. Once impact is factored in as well, he said, the force becomes irresistible.

The disaster is a terrible echo of another disaster involving a New York landmark.
On July 25, 1945, a B-25 bomber slammed into the north side of the Empire State Building, then the tallest building in the world. A reckless pilot was flying over Manhattan in poor visibility; it was apparently an accident. Thirteen people died, mostly in fires started by burning gasoline.

The Empire State Building, Fenves noted, was built during the Depression, and made with a much heavier structural system. The bomber in that accident was also a much smaller plane, said Fenves.
The WTC buildings' official names are One and Two World Trade Center; their respective heights are 1,368 and 1,362 feet tall. They are part of a massive seven-building complex near the southeastern end of Manhattan. The center's architect was Minoru Yamasaki. The engineers were John Skilling and Leslie Robertson of Worthington, Skilling, Helle and Jackson.

The complex cost $350 million in 1966, or nearly $2 billion in today's dollars. Ground was broken in 1966, and the buildings opened in 1970, but the complete center was not finished until 1974; there are now seven total buildings, a large shopping mall, and an enormous garage. An observation deck is a popular tourist destination. Beneath the center two New York subway lines converge; there is also the Manhattan terminus of PATH commuter trains from New Jersey.

The center has been the target of an attack before. On Feb. 26, 1993, terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden planned and carried out a truck bombing in the parking garage. Prosecutors said the weapon was a 1,200-pound truck bomb. Six people died and more than 1,000 were injured in the attack. The explosion created a five-story crater beneath the building, but its structure held.

After the center opened in 1970, for several years it was feared the complex would become a real-estate white elephant. But for decades it then reigned as one of New York City's premier office buildings. A recent press release from the New York and New Jersey Port Authorities, which own the building, says that more than 430 companies from 28 countries are tenants. The authorities said that 40,000 employees work in the buildings daily, besides 140,000 daily visitors.

The World Trade Center lost its position as the world's tallest building in 1974, when the Sears Tower in Chicago opened. In 1998 the two Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, opened; they are each more than 100 feet taller than the World Trade Center structures.
 


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To: George W. Bush
Speaking of heat damage, I have read reports that the airplanes' "Black Boxes" are not likely to have survived the fires.
81 posted on 09/11/2001 6:12:21 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: LJ
Both my home owners policy and life insurance policies state they do not pay for acts of terrorism or war. If the insurance companies don't pay, I'm sure Uncle Sam will just inflate the currency and pay all the bills. Did you see the list of all the insurance company headquarters that were in the WTC? The short list seemed to include over a dozen, including some pretty major names. The insurance industry may reconsider whether to pay on terrorism disasters since they've now been victims. I think insurance company executives got hit hard today.
82 posted on 09/11/2001 6:12:48 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Looking for Diogenes
"The collapse mechanism you suggest does not account for the hour or so that passed between collision and collapse."

The hour which passed was the time needed for the steel members to heat up and transfer heat to other steel members and flammables. Once the crash level floors lost their structural integrity, the building was doomed to cascade failure.

83 posted on 09/11/2001 6:14:31 PM PDT by yooper
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To: xm177e2
Replace the rubble of the WTC with a memorial park, then burn down the UN building and make that into a memorial park as well.

Burn it down? How about a fuel air explosive bombs guided into several windows, then follow up with 2000 lb Laser Guided Bombs, two to four should do the job. Record and sell the videos. I'd pay good money to see that, real good. Put the money into the military, both that from sales and rental of the videos, and from that which we would have spent on UN dues and other indirect taxes.

84 posted on 09/11/2001 6:15:51 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: jauntybeesting
Your explanation while plausible requires the assumption that in order for the terrorism to be successful that the buildings needed to fall.

My opinion is that just making impact with one of the jets into one of the towers is a major success for the terrorists. The buildings falling is gravy to these folks. It doesn't take much planning or sophistication to make contact. I can teach a monkey to fly a helicopter. I have never flown a plane. If you asked me to become a human bomb for your holy war, I am sure I can teach anyone to take my place and stear a jumbo jet towards a building as large as the WTC. If you can drive a car, you can steer a plane. You can't land one or take off in one but you can damn sure steer it in a general direction.

85 posted on 09/11/2001 6:16:26 PM PDT by William_Rusher
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To: calebcar
I hppe Bush gets together with Port Authority to rebuild the World Trade Center-updated as the tallest building in New York before the end of his administration. No, let's not tach the sheeple the government is supposed to do such things. Leave it to the private sector.
86 posted on 09/11/2001 6:16:35 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: yooper
Thanks, I was wondering what you thought.

Now, does anyone know all the businesses that were housed in these buildings?

87 posted on 09/11/2001 6:16:56 PM PDT by Yooper_Hondo
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To: yooper
Thanks, I was wondering what you thought.

Now, does anyone know all the businesses that were housed in these buildings?

88 posted on 09/11/2001 6:18:15 PM PDT by Yooper_Hondo
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To: vooch
I am not an expert. Some think that the persons flying showed a fair amount of expertise.
89 posted on 09/11/2001 6:19:37 PM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: tet68
I think they learned a lesson from the truck bomb which created a large crater but didn't bring it down.Someone with archectural training taught them how.

I think so. I think that there may have been bombs set as well.

The coordination of the attacks and the sophistication, like having structural engineers involved in planning underscores the seriousness of this.

I don't think President Bush or any politician has yet enunciated this, or perhaps do not fully grasp it.

90 posted on 09/11/2001 6:21:27 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: LJ
The most important issue for all these insurance companies is the dollar value of all other claims they must pay. Oddly enough, the fact that this has been an unusually quiet hurricane season in the U.S. will probably help them. Investment bankers often buy insurance stocks at a time like this, since the public perception of the insurance industry's financial state will generally be worse than reality.

An endless series of small claims (as in a hurricane) is usually worse than one large claim, though in this case we are talking about a $3.2-billion office complex, thousands of lives, and a sh!tload of financial chaos as well.

91 posted on 09/11/2001 6:21:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Speaking of heat damage, I have read reports that the airplanes' "Black Boxes" are not likely to have survived the fires. Maybe. The video showed that the second plane virtually went through the whole building. So there's a chance that the box could have been thrown clear. Those boxes are incredibly tough. If they are there, we'll find them pretty quick.
92 posted on 09/11/2001 6:21:53 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Yooper_Hondo
The Port Authority of NY & NJ was a major occupant (that was why they built it in the first place), as was Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
93 posted on 09/11/2001 6:23:14 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: calebcar
I hope Bush kicks everyone out of the UN building and takes it over to replace the WTC............
94 posted on 09/11/2001 6:26:21 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: jlogajan
yes, that is the only sophistication and it is a fairly major one -- indicating some money and major friendlies.

Not neccessarily. Training on a much smaller aircraft, with maybe some time in a simple mock up or computer sim, would be sufficient. Now if they had to be able to take off or land, that would be one thing, but to just fly the thing into a building, not nearly so difficult. However the organiztion and logistics aspects, as opposed to traing the kamikazes, might require more resources than even OBL could muster.

95 posted on 09/11/2001 6:28:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: George W. Bush
ABC news has some architectural experts who are in agreement that the fires in this building (1500 degrees F) caused the steel to weaken and it then became unable to support the weight once the tensile strength of the steel was depleted. So, the structure was sound enough to withstand the impact. It was just that the loadbearing steel was weakened by the fire. When the top floors fell, it was too much stress for the lower structure and the whole thing collapsed straight down without tipping. Straight down in a pile. I hope the CVR and FDR boxes from these aircraft somehow were thrown clear and survived. I would expect that they could yield some valuable data, perhaps some final statement from those involved. However, if they were subjected to those temps, they are gone...
96 posted on 09/11/2001 6:29:23 PM PDT by Fury
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To: William_Rusher
If you can drive a car, you can steer a plane. You can't land one or take off in one but you can damn sure steer it in a general direction. Maybe. Several of these planes had sharp and erratic course changes and changes in their velocity. Sort of abrupt for professional pilots from the impression I get.

Peter Jennings and the ex-government officials kept expressing puzzlement over this matter and seem to assume that only professional pilot training or at least professional simulator experience would be required.

I'm thinking that some of the flight simulator software might be able to give a private pilot a pretty good feel for the responsiveness of a jumbo jet. Some of the simulators that cost $40 simulate the physics and responsiveness of jumbo jets in both cargo and passenger configuration.

Those cheap little simulators also usually contain the graphics and instrument controls of the plane simulated. As well as geographical landmarks in major cities. I'd bet money they include the WTC in their maps. Most of them have the Statue of Liberty.

Before you laugh, remember this high-tech attack was carried out with knives on at least three of the planes. This doesn't seem to be too well-financed to me, contrary to what all the network and policy wonks keep saying.
98 posted on 09/11/2001 6:32:11 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Looking for Diogenes
The weight of the falling structure caused the floors below to pancake under the load. As load bearing members were lost, the structural integrity was sacrificed, and the building collapsed upon itself

Sword

99 posted on 09/11/2001 6:34:37 PM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt
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To: Hoosier Patriot
there are bound to be qualified engineers in the world who hate the United States...
100 posted on 09/11/2001 6:41:27 PM PDT by cactmh
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