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CALM DOWN-We are at War.Now How do we decide who to fight and how to fight
Just an ole combat veteran | now | me

Posted on 09/11/2001 7:50:32 AM PDT by A+Bert (Outta here)

War has been brought home to us in a very dramatic way. Television has a way of doing things with war that isn't reality.

God Bless America and may Bush do the right thing


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To: glock rocks
All national guard fighters deployed in NW ohio

Just heard it on the radio.

Also, in Detroit Ambassador Bridge and tunnel shut down. No border crossing possible.

61 posted on 09/11/2001 8:16:42 AM PDT by FOMTY
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To: A+Bert
Durban Conference, and its tragic outcome...

Liberty's enemies are operating inside the US, at the UN headquarters.
62 posted on 09/11/2001 8:17:01 AM PDT by European_Libertarian
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To: reformed_democrat
>Now, has anyone been able to learn if the Palestinian Democratic Liberation Front is a real organization or a hallucination. Arafat claims no responsibility I believe I heard Jennings talk about this organization. Did a lot of plane hijacks in 70s but lately has been focusing on gun violence.
63 posted on 09/11/2001 8:17:33 AM PDT by Jened
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To: A+Bert
Amass a huge force - Attack and capture Allah's oil fields. That's where he gets his power.</font size>
64 posted on 09/11/2001 8:17:33 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: A+Bert,harpseal,Squantos
As far as laying the blame and our intell failure, it's critical to note that we have NO human intelligence on the ground in the areas that count in the middle east.

Our DoS and CIA assets in the middle east are only capable of going to embassy parties, or running western oriented "proprietary front" companies. But they can't walk 100 yards into the souk or market or back alleys without being spotted and put at great danger. We just don't have the kinds of spies who can go undercover in a group like the Osama Bin Laden (OBL) group. Nobody.

So yes, I would have to say that the fact that it was a large, expensive, coordinated, and suicidal attack with no fore warning tends to point at OBL, who is capable of sending a dozen or more suicide teams into the USA weeks in advance. The Palis couldn't do it without Mossad knowing. Only OBL or someone on that level we don't even know could do it.

God Bless America.

65 posted on 09/11/2001 8:17:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: A+Bert
Durban Conference, and its tragic outcome...

Liberty's enemies are operating inside the US, at the UN headquarters.
66 posted on 09/11/2001 8:17:51 AM PDT by European_Libertarian
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To: A+Bert
PUNISH, AND PUNISH WITH IMPUNITY
67 posted on 09/11/2001 8:17:57 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace, eddie willers
"NYC emergency personnel are pleading for people to give blood today. NYC blood donation centers are apparently overwhelmed and need people from all over the country to donate. Blood can be kept for at least a couple of days and flown in when flights are allowed."

For those who feel helpless, at least you'll be doing something positive...MUD

68 posted on 09/11/2001 8:18:03 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: A+Bert
Your generation knows how to deal with tragedies of this sort, 'Bert. We need your perspective today.
69 posted on 09/11/2001 8:18:05 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: cicero's_son
You have that exactly right. We take action against NATIONS that harbor these cowards and criminals. I am in favor of turning them into fused glass.
70 posted on 09/11/2001 8:18:07 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: rintense
We must now resolve, as a nation, to make such a killing that no group will ever consider such an action, ever again. That if a person suggests attacking the US in a "large" way that his own lieutenants will shoot him dead. We must kill and kill and kill as no other nation ever has. And I am serious and not even upset about the idea. We must end the very notion that this is possible in a very real sense or we will never be able to live in a just world again. Forget trials, forget international conventions, forget mercy, or rights or even justice. Find the people involved, find the nations in which they are harbored, and kill eveyone, men, women, children, with every weapon in our inventory, nuke them first then bomb them again and then send in soldiers on the ground to paint the lines. When everyone is dead, salt the ground. Find anyone related to them and kill them as well and their neighbors. Make a smoke that will be remembered in a thousand years so that _no one_ will ever again consider such actions in their wildest nightmares.

What bothers me is that as I write this, I'm not even upset. Simply resolved.

71 posted on 09/11/2001 8:18:37 AM PDT by Abn1508
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To: cicero's_son
We have to make it clear to our enemies that we will retaliate 10 fold the damage they inflict on us.

Starting within 24 hours and continuing as long as necessary.

72 posted on 09/11/2001 8:19:24 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: A+Bert
I believe I heard the words, "Nuke 'em" coming out of the mouth of a Gore-voting, former Peace Corp, liberal, San Francisco-raised co-worker this morning.
73 posted on 09/11/2001 8:19:41 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: A+Bert
Bump for the headline. Cooler heads will prevail.

NPR already is talking about what "trade-offs" of liberty will be in order to make ourselves more "secure" in the future.

This probably makes the likes of Cohen, Ford, Clinton, Bush, Kissinger, et al. very happy. That's something to think about.

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Bush is talking of 'hunting down" those folks ... (the suicide hijackers, one assumes?) ... who carried out these acts. "Terrorism against the United States will not stand."

Probably should have thought that through before using a certain amount themselves for dramatic effect. Not just here at home but abroad where the Uncle Sam's clean hands now are reaping what they've sown. The Message They're Sending is Essentially the Same Thing

Perhaps they'll be rethinking their "strategic partnerships" now that things aren't quite so contained as OKC.

I'll be interested to see how long it takes for them to "bulldoze" the remains of these tragedies.

Bush is talking of "hunting down" the terrorists (those primarily responsible already dead, one assumes). "Terrorism against the U.S. will not stand" says he.

Probably should have thought that through before Uncle Sam's clean hands started sowing -- at home and abroad -- more than they care to reap when what goes around comes around.

74 posted on 09/11/2001 8:20:01 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: A+Bert
I guess I know now why Mr Bush was elected. I hope he is on his knees now praying for wisdom. There may be a bigger loss of life here than Pearl Harbor. At least the Japs attacked a military station, and that brought us into WW2. Will this cowardly attack bring us to WW3? Get out your Bible people and read Revelations.
75 posted on 09/11/2001 8:20:02 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: Michael Rivero
Eat $hit and die, Michael, you ol' terrorist-symp you.
76 posted on 09/11/2001 8:20:04 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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Stop helping NATO aid the Islamic Albanian invaders in their crusade to conquer Macedonia and the rest of south-east Europe. Start defending the persecuted, inslaved, tortured and murdered Christian martyrs in China, N. Korea, Phillipines, Afganistan, Sudan, and now America. Blowing up an aspirin factory in Khartoum will not be sufficient. Although not all Muslims are involved, any who do not immediately join us in defending ourselves and our allies against this Jihad are certainly our enemies.
77 posted on 09/11/2001 8:20:31 AM PDT by ChuteTheMall GawdSortaMount (Worldwide Jihad)
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To: A+Bert
As the French Bishop said - "Kill them all, God will know his own."
78 posted on 09/11/2001 8:20:41 AM PDT by hometoroost
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To: apackof2
"I fear we have awoken a sleeping giant, and filled him with fearful resolve."
Two questions
1 Who did this?
2 why are they still alive.
Terrorists have shown us once again that we can still be shocked. Today is a day for shock tommorow will be the time for rage, calm cold rage.

Assuming (remember OKC) this his been sponsered(sp) by an arab country, they WILL find out just what war is alll about.

79 posted on 09/11/2001 8:21:06 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Mudboy Slim
Yassir Arafat's reign must end...MUD

Yes. The US should declare that we are now officially on Israel's side in the current conflict, and Bush must tactfully inform our Secretary of State that either he must stop the moral equivalence nonsense, or he must resign.

80 posted on 09/11/2001 8:21:40 AM PDT by BurkeanCyclist
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