Lessons of Might and Right (Condi Rice)

The Washington Post ^ | 9/9/2001 | Dale Russakoff

[Utah Girl]

LONG AGO, in segregated Birmingham, on the children's floor of a downtown department store, a white saleslady spotted an exquisitely dressed black mother heading with her young daughter for fitting rooms reserved for whites only. The year was 1961, and downtown Birmingham was an apartheid society, with blacks assigned inferior status in where they ate, where they relieved themselves, even where little girls tried on pretty dresses. The saleslady stepped into the path of the mother and child, took the dress from the little girl and motioned to a storage room. "She'll have to try it on in there," she said.

[Askel5]

Sorry ... I do tend to make blatant mistakes like that.

Probably could use some lessons in Civics and Government ... blows my mind, actually, that a bimbo like Liddy Dole is "Cabinet" material when a whip like Condi's second string.

[Askel5]

And they did a damn fine job, evidently.

So why is she sounding the note of overcoming segregation and oppression when -- for whatever reason -- it affected not one bit her ability to be educated and achieve to the n^th degree?

[Utah Girl]

Thanks for your comments. I like your picture on your homesite!

[dodger]

THAT IS A LOT OF FERVIDLY RACIALIST TALK FOR (an otherwise sensible Freeper ...) WHO HAD ME -- SPUROUSLY -- BANNED IN 1998 FOR, (you spuriously claimed) 'RACIALIST' TALK.

OH WELL ....

[Askel5]

You have to understand, by the way, that I'm one of those yokels who believes that a certain amount of segregation actually is GOOD for education. Keeping boys from girls when hormones are popping, for instance.

Desegregation (particularly that which was forced by federal fiat) seems only to have hurt, not helped.

But of course, desegregation on its OWN terms would be a case of "RIGHT", not "MIGHT". I'm sure Condi and her folks would agree with me that it was wrong for the feds to force us to do anything ... particularly as regards the education system over which they should have no control whatsoever.

[Elsie]

A great admirer, here, of Dick Cheney, but the Beat goes on ....

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Shouldn't that be........ IF the beat goes on??????

[Askel5]

Huh?

I had someone banned? This is news.

(If you were using caps like that to headline the stories you were posting in the panels, I might have wished you were banned ... but I leave the banning to Jim. It's his site.)

[dodger]

Yes, indeedy. I mentioned Hillary's ZOGGY legs and yu yipped some spurious nonsense about anti-semitism. My main beef is it has cost me my member date from the first weeks of FR ....

Other than that (Mrs. Lincoln), you seem a fine Freeper.

[Askel5]

I am CERTAIN you have me confused with someone who knows what "zoggy" means.

[dodger]

GOOD ... OWN ... "RIGHT" ... "MIGHT".

And you whinge about MY CAPS?????

[Miss Marple]

Thank you for posting this. I honestly believe that emphasis on people like Condi Rice would do so much to improve the education of other minorities, rather than emphasizing their "victimhood."

Personally, I am in awe of her knowledge and talent. I certainly don't know Russian and cannot ice skate, and I only play a bit of piano. Her story makes me want to try to achieve more in my life.

I am quite proud of her, and proud of the Republicans, from Brent Scowcroft to President Bush, who hired her and presented her to the world.

[dodger]

I am CERTAIN you have me confused with someone who knows what "zoggy" means.

Could be, assuming his or her Screen name is 'Askel5' .... Perhaps there was previously an Askel15 or an Askel51' or whatever. But I don't think so. You don't recall some of your whinnying over one who cast question at Hillary's timely invocation of her claimed Jewish step-father??

Perchance you are not Askel5 after all ...

[dodger]

NSA Advisor is "Cabinet rank" and has been at least since the Carter administreation ...

[Askel5]

Hey ... I've worked really hard to quell the caps.

As this is the only "chat" site I've ever really visited, I wasn't hip to the fact CAPS mean SCREAMING. I write -- longhand -- in caps as a rule and probably do use them too much.

I actually was just trying to be funny (and work in my pet peeve -- ALL CAP HEADLINES FULL OF PLENTY OF EXTRA WORDS EXPLAINING THE HEADLINE IN FULL -- posted in the Breaking News and other panels. =)

Believe it or not, I actually get the "anti-semite" label myself from time to time ... totally spurious, of course. I just think you have me confused with someone else. I've never once agitated for the banning of a poster.

REGARDS, DODGER!

[dodger]

All very well said but it leaves me wondering who was Askel5 circa May 1998 .... Perhaps I should dig the archival material one of these days before further lambasting your nom de scren, still it is difficult to imagine there are many names homophonous with Askel5.

Once & again, ah well ...

[DallasJ7]

It was also clear to another Stanford colleague, Russia expert Michael McFaul, who remembers Rice telling him she opposed gun control and even gun registration because Bull Connor could have used it to disarm her father and others who patrolled Titusville in 1963. "For me as a liberal, pro-gun control person, it really hit me over the head," McFaul says. "I remember thinking, 'Who are we as white liberals to respond?' "

Hehehe...

[Utah Girl]

I liked that quote too.

[Utah Girl]

That's exactly the point I pulled from this article. The Rices knew exactly what they were up against and used education to better themselves. It is a very sad situation today where attaining a good education is dissed by so many African Americans. It just keeps them in the grip of victimhood and not being able to think for themselves.

[Askel5]

Trust me ... I'd been skulking around here since fall of '97 but joined only to post two things -- a formatted version of the Labella memo and Puddleglum's peroration from "The Silver Chair".

The latter was so ill-received I shut up for another year.

[StopGlobalWhining]

Quite the prepubescent civil rights warrior compared to the Old White Men who evidently did nothing to end segregation, much less slavery.

Like the Southern Democrat Senators in 1964 who voted against the Civil Rights bill? Like Albert Gore Sr. for example? It is a fact little communicated by the media, that a significantly higher percentage of Senate Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights bill than did Democrats.