My wife listens to Candace Owens almost everyday. I actually listened to one of the podcasts while we were driving in town. It was tedious IMO, very tedious.
I can deal with a few clips on YouTube but basically anything more than that is really boring.
I have the same problem with most podcasters/youtubers , they really don’t have the same talent as older radio show hosts who understood how to keep their show moving along.