Supreme Court appears poised to rule for Trump on independent agency firings (more winning)

NBC News ^ | 12/8/25 | ZLawrence Hurley

[lurk]

All of these Trump wins do indeed give him more agility in office. Keep in mind that they also give a future Dem president broad powers.

[ChuckHam]

That’s why elections matter.

[ProgressingAmerica]

Almost.

There is an overlooked court ruling that will also have to be overturned in order to complete the upend.

In J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States(1928) the Supreme Court dictated that Congress can create these independent agencies as long as there exists some “intelligible principle” for doing so.

Constitutionally, there never is and never will be any “intelligible principle” that Congress should abdicate its authority and give it to the executive.

J.W. Hampton is the source of the idea that Congress can delegate.

[ProgressingAmerica]

Wait a second, I thought Max Weber was wrong?(incorrect)

I mean as you state it yes in regards to answerability Shady is spot on. But in terms of Max Weber, didn’t Weber favor totalitarianism?

In other words, didn’t Weber believe that all functions should go to the chief government officer because Weber WANTED maximal government putting its boot on people’s neck? Didn’t Weber favor pretty much gutting any existing legislative branch in favor of total centralized (communist/fascist) government?

I would be curious to see direct specific quotes larger than a half a paragraph.

I have never seen anybody associate Max Weber with small limited government.

[ProgressingAmerica]

"Independent of the voters. They should never have been permitted in the first place."

Exactly. Herbert Croly and Woodrow Wilson are alive and well and with us in 2025. This was one of the core principles of progressivism and remains so to this day.

Despite what historians want us to think with their jedi hand swipes, we have not gotten past progressive ideology - the so-called belief in the independent federal agency is just one aspect of that rock-solid proof of living Wilsonianism.

[LS]

I get it. But that’s like saying “Trump now has a 95% chance to win” on election night 2020 at 12:00. It ain’t over til the Supes actually vote.

[BigB60]

MY TAKE:
A)3 solid conservatives
Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch
B)3 wild cards
Roberts, ACB, and Kavanaugh
C)3 wackos
Sotomayor, Jackson, and Kagan

Group A read the C faithfully.
Group B tends to drink more with Group A than C. The younger ones are aware of the potential personal risks associated with their decisions and are affected by this.
Group C calls the DNC for advice.

[alternatives?]

Don’t forget Miers was his first choice before Alito. She was more of a RINO than Roberts.

[j.havenfarm]

Every time I hear the term “independent agency,”it’s like a pencil rammed in my ear. That’s a constitutional abomination

[AndyJackson]

An agency with public not judicial executory authority is a an executive agency. All such powers are vested in the presidency. Seem pretty simple. The Constitution is not nuanced here.

[TexasFreeper2009]

exactly, there is no where in the constitution that allows for “independant agencies” not answerable to US citizens!

[Shady]

He did a major article on bureaucracy, over and above his own political aspiration. That article describes to a tee the hideousness of an uncontrolled bureaucratic state..

[IWONDR]

Those civil servants who accept appointment to the federal Senior Executive Service, accept that appointment level, with the understanding that they have no retention rights, or recourse, and therefore can be fired at the whim of whomever is the head of the organization in which they serve.

[Vigilanteman]

independent federal agencies.?

Isn't that even more of an oxymoron than unbiased public radio and television?

[Bob Wills is still the king]

“upending the long-standing concept of UNCONSTITUTIONAL independent federal agencies”
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Remember that when a Democrat president takes office - and there will be another Democrat president - she or he will systematically fire all Republican appointees in the Military and government.

People here will scream and completely forget this is an “own goal” we created.

[dfwgator]

Democrats will do it regardless of what the Republicans do, it’s a sunk cost.

[JeemBeau]

“Yogi Bear Pine Cone Rangers”/faggots - What government agency employs them *exclusively ?), and what does the former term mean?

[noiseman]

there are only 3 branches of government. So government agencies if they are not under the judical, or congressional, they are under the executive. And if they are under the executive, they are subject to the presidents will.

Exactly right. The notion of a truly independent federal agency is completely at odds with our constitution, the basic principles of government underlying it, and with the need for government accountability. The worst offender, of course, is the federal reserve, which just flies in the face of the Constitution giving Congress the sole authority to coin money and regulate its value. That particular “independent agency” has sunk us 37 trillion dollars in debt, with zero accountability for it.

[rlmorel]

Spot on post, LS...spot on.

Many of us feel the way you do on this, both with the people saying nothing will happen and the headline content.

Nice to hear from you...:)