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Germany’s Secret Plan for War With Russia
WSJ ^ | 27 Nov, 2025 | Bertrand Benoit

Posted on 11/27/2025 3:23:12 PM PST by Reverend Wright

The blueprint details how as many as 800,000 German, U.S. and other NATO troops would be ferried eastward toward the front line. It maps the ports, rivers, railways and roads they would travel, and how they would be supplied and protected on the way.

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To: alternatives?

In 1917 Russia beat Russia, Germany was just the grateful recipient of the benefits of that Bolshevik revolution.


81 posted on 11/27/2025 10:24:55 PM PST by 5th MEB (1)
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To: Reverend Wright

One could be forgiven for thinking that after 1914-1919 and 1939-45, Germany’s planners might have learnt something, but it appears otherwise.


82 posted on 11/27/2025 10:58:35 PM PST by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: 5th MEB

In 1917 Russia beat Russia, Germany was just the grateful recipient of the benefits of that Bolshevik revolution.


Germany was lucky they weren’t taken over by the Bolsheviks.

Unfortunately, it took the Freikorps to stop it, and that became the core of the Nazi Party.


83 posted on 11/27/2025 10:59:59 PM PST by dfwgator ("I am Charlie Kirk!")
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To: Reverend Wright

(Shhhhhhhh).


84 posted on 11/27/2025 11:15:59 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: jerod

“How crazy is this... A nation that is actually preparing for war against a country controlled by man who worships Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.

How dare they?”

You seem to be upset that we’re not going to help.


85 posted on 11/27/2025 11:49:30 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: Reverend Wright

Everything is new again. Bell-bottoms should never be rediscovered though. Please. They get caught in my bicycle chain.


86 posted on 11/28/2025 2:28:52 AM PST by Kudsman (Remember the Alamo? Good. Now recall the Plaskett surrender. )
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To: Reverend Wright

Every country’s military, including ours, makes warplans.


87 posted on 11/28/2025 2:59:02 AM PST by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: Jonty30; E. Pluribus Unum; Reverend Wright; faithhopecharity; kenmcg; Da Coyote; Fiji Hill; ...

guys, your comments look like you went off on the title only, and didn’t read the article.

What does the article say?

It is a leaked document outlining Germany’s detailed preparations for a potential full-scale conflict with Russia within 6 to 10 years, escalating from the ongoing Ukraine war:

1. it assumes Russia could rebuild its military strength by 2029, potentially launching a NATO attack via the Suwalki Gap (a vulnerable Polish-Lithuanian corridor) by 2025–2029, aiming to seize Baltic states.

2. it is purely DEFENSIVE - what to do when the Russian federation invades.

3. it also focuses on Germany - evacuation of 1.5 million people from eastern German regions; deployment of 200,000 troops to the Baltics.

4. It considers Russia might test NATO’s Article 5 commitment by invading a Baltic state, prompting a rapid allied response. Germany positions itself as a logistics hub, not frontline combatant.

Jonty, E. Pluribus Unum , - this is about defending Germany’s heartland, not about east of Germany, leave alone Poland

Rev Wright, faithhopecharity — they do NOT want war, leave alone total war with the Russian federation

I would urge you guys to read the article before commenting on the title


88 posted on 11/28/2025 4:19:23 AM PST by Cronos
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To: 5th MEB; alternatives?; dfwgator

Just a note - the Bolshevik revolution was the SECOND Russian revolution in 1917 (the October Revolution).

In March 1917 (February Revolution, Old Style calendar), the Tsar was overthrown. A liberal Provisional Government took power but continued the war against Germany. Throughout 1917 the Russian army disintegrated: massive desertions, mutinies, and collapse of discipline.

The October revolution was when the Bolshevik’s seized power with one of their central promises being immediate peace.

Germany defeated Russia on the Eastern Front in World War I (1918, via Brest-Litovsk).

The Russian Empire collapsed internally in 1917; Germany delivered the final military/diplomatic knockout blow to its Bolshevik successor state in early 1918.


89 posted on 11/28/2025 4:47:57 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Why don't you read the article rather than just go off on the title only?

The article reveals details of a classified 1,500-page German military document titled "Operational Plan for Escalation – Defence Case Germany," leaked and reported in November 2024. The plan, developed by the Bundeswehr (German armed forces), outlines a hypothetical scenario for a large-scale war with Russia erupting in the summer of 2025. It assumes Russia, after consolidating control over Ukraine, would rebuild its forces and launch a surprise invasion of NATO territory—specifically the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia—within 24-48 hours

This is unequivocally a defensive plan by Germany. The document is explicitly framed as a response to an anticipated Russian invasion of NATO allies, with all strategies focused on territorial defense, alliance reinforcement, and survival measures rather than any proactive strikes or territorial expansion. Phrases like "defence case" in the title and descriptions of "repelling the aggressor" confirm its reactive nature, aligning with NATO's Article 5 collective defense obligations. There are no indications of offensive elements, such as preemptive attacks or plans to initiate hostilities.

90 posted on 11/28/2025 5:00:39 AM PST by Cronos
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To: alternatives?; Fiji Hill

Read the article before commenting on the title.

This is unequivocally a defensive plan by Germany. The document is explicitly framed as a response to an anticipated Russian invasion of NATO allies, with all strategies focused on territorial defense, alliance reinforcement, and survival measures rather than any proactive strikes or territorial expansion.

Phrases like “defence case” in the title and descriptions of “repelling the aggressor” confirm its reactive nature, aligning with NATO’s Article 5 collective defense obligations.

There are no indications of offensive elements, such as preemptive attacks or plans to initiate hostilities.


91 posted on 11/28/2025 5:01:40 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Reverend Wright

Hmmm... Maybe they ought to make an effort to remember what happened the last time they tried to invade Russa...


92 posted on 11/28/2025 5:01:42 AM PST by unread ("A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: delta7
delta7
Germany and the EU has nothing measurable, except debt, unfounded social programs, pensions and Islam.


Russia does have the world's highest estimated total value of natural resources (primarily oil, natural gas, coal, gold, timber, and rare earth metals), valued at approximately $75 trillion as of 2021 per Statista, with some Russian sources (e.g., Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin in November 2025) claiming over $100 trillion. The U.S. ranks second at ~$45 trillion, followed by Saudi Arabia (~$34 trillion) and Canada (~$33 trillion).

However, this does not make Russia the "richest nation" overall. Natural resource estimates (undiscovered or unextracted reserves) are not the same as current economic wealth:

Russia's GDP (2024 est.): ~$2.2 trillion (11th globally).

This is below Germany, France and Italy INDIVIDUALLY

And i'm not even going to go to per capita GDP

Just sitting on mineral deposits would make Venezuela and the Democratic republic of Congo as filthy rich. And they aren't rich.

93 posted on 11/28/2025 5:04:56 AM PST by Cronos
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To: delta7
delta7 No, Russian is the most richest nation in the world, their natural resources are $75 trillion plus.

Germany and the EU has nothing measurable, except debt, unfounded social programs, pensions and Islam.


Russia does have the world's highest estimated total value of natural resources (primarily oil, natural gas, coal, gold, timber, and rare earth metals), valued at approximately $75 trillion as of 2021 per Statista, with some Russian sources (e.g., Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin in November 2025) claiming over $100 trillion. The U.S. ranks second at ~$45 trillion, followed by Saudi Arabia (~$34 trillion) and Canada (~$33 trillion).

However, this does not make Russia the "richest nation" overall. Natural resource estimates (undiscovered or unextracted reserves) are not the same as current economic wealth:

Russia's GDP (2024 est.): ~$2.2 trillion (11th globally).

This is below Germany, France and Italy INDIVIDUALLY

And i'm not even going to go to per capita GDP

Just sitting on mineral deposits would make Venezuela and the Democratic republic of Congo as filthy rich. And they aren't rich.

As to your "social program" -- Russia is very socialist - Russia operates a mix of federal and regional programs via the Social Fund of Russia (merging the former Pension and Social Insurance Funds since 2023). Key expenditures include child benefits (~$14 billion in 2025 for newborns/upbringing), disability/veteran support (monthly cash benefits for ~16.5 million people), and targeted aid for the vulnerable. Total social welfare spending is ~15-20% of the budget, funded by payroll taxes (e.g., 2.9% for cash benefits, 5.1% for medical) and general revenue

This is HIGHER than the EU's 12% of GDP

94 posted on 11/28/2025 5:07:20 AM PST by Cronos
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To: delta7

And as for Islam

the EU has 5% Mohammedans.

Russia has 11%

So yeah, they have the same problem.


95 posted on 11/28/2025 5:08:02 AM PST by Cronos
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To: SkyDancer

Nope - the article talks about how Germany would defend itself from a Russian invasion.


96 posted on 11/28/2025 5:09:44 AM PST by Cronos
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To: mass55th

Read the article - it is unequivocally a defensive plan by Germany. The document is explicitly framed as a response to an anticipated Russian invasion of NATO allies, with all strategies focused on territorial defense, alliance reinforcement, and survival measures rather than any proactive strikes or territorial expansion.


97 posted on 11/28/2025 5:10:53 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Jonty30

Nay. This war is mainly the killing of Christians by the anti-Christians and, secondarily, the grabbing of Russian land and its minuscule minerals


98 posted on 11/28/2025 5:10:55 AM PST by ReganFan4ever
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To: AAABEST

Correct.

The Gerries here are more concerned with their own country.

The Baltics, Poland and Romania need to beef up their own defense - and they are doing this. Visegrad+Baltics+Finland need to not expect help from anyone else - it’s nice to have, but they need to plan strategic depth.

Their correct option is to be like Vietnam v/s China.

China has tried to conquer Vietnam for 2000 years. But the last time they tried in the 70s, they got a bloody nose


99 posted on 11/28/2025 5:13:11 AM PST by Cronos
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To: ReganFan4ever

“This war is mainly the killing of Christians by the anti-Christians and”

How do you make that out?


100 posted on 11/28/2025 5:13:50 AM PST by Cronos
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