Posted on 10/13/2025 12:55:02 PM PDT by Angelino97
Complexity is one of those things frequently evoked but seldom understood or explained. Let us take the much-hyped narrative of an impending civil war in Britain, which has been pushed relentlessly by the center-right press in both Britain and America, following dire warnings from Professor David Betz about a coming clash between UK’s Muslim left and the white far-right. Several things can all be true at once:
First, the British ruling class has done a woeful job governing the country. Decades of awful decisions have added up, damaging social cohesion and severing the moral unity between rulers and ruled.
Second, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is a power-hungry politician who would deliberately inflame tensions in order to justify harsher crackdowns and to impose an AI-driven digital ID system, further tightening Britain’s already draconian regulation of speech and social media.
Third, various clandestine foreign forces—American, Israeli, Russian, Iranian, and even Chinese—may seek to foment chaos and exacerbate the civil war narrative for their own ends.
Fourth, social media, eager to generate clicks with new swill dumped into the pig slop trough, has a vested interest in pushing sensationalist headlines. Finally, most Brits are still watching soccer, eating takeaway, and binge-watching Netflix—not plotting insurrection. By historical “bread and circuses” standards, Britain still has a surfeit of both.
I remain skeptical about the prospect of widespread civil conflict in Britain. Such conflicts require tightly organized minorities, funding, stocks of arms and munitions, and explicit aims, causes, and demands. Professor Betz frequently cites “The Troubles” in Northern Ireland as a precedent for what is about to befall Britain, but virtually none of those conditions prevail here. Quite apart from the fever dreams of Daily Mail columnists, the Muslim communities in Britain are mostly led by moderate, regime-compliant types who are part of the Labour Party machine, not militant jihadis. To the extent they are organized, it is to harvest ballots with a shamelessness that would make even Joe Biden wince.
“The right,” meanwhile, is scarcely organized at all, for fear of the law. It’s almost illegal to be right-wing in Britain, let alone to be right-wing and organized. Nearly all such attempts are subject to infiltration or intervention by the security state, whose vigilance on this score hysterically puts right-wing groups on par with the aforementioned militant jihadis. So, the notion that these two tribes—both proscribed as terrorists by the British state—are about to go to war seems like fantasy.
On one side, we have Muslim communities that literally can’t figure out how to organize rubbish disposal. On the other, we have “the right,” whose best organizer is the anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson, who is about to lead a large “free speech rally” in London, even as Reform UK Leader Nigel Farage disavows him (perhaps wisely). These groups and their rallies are crawling with law enforcement. The most organized minority is still the government, which can play divide and conquer all day long and win 10 times out of 10.
For the past decade, the beanie-hatted YouTuber Tim Pool has been declaring an impending civil war in America. That civil war never came. Undeterred, Pool now welcomes British guests to his studio to hype civil war in Britain. You can decide if this is analysis, or slop designed to maximize view counts. When I said Trump’s re-election would face little resistance, I was angrily called names by confident political pundits who predicted mass riots by the left. Those riots never came, either.
Political theories that rely on spontaneous mass action as part of their logic seldom see it materialize. The idea of bottom-up, grassroots change is a comforting fiction that avoids confronting more troubling truths, such as the fact that the BLM and Antifa riots during 2020’s Summer of George Floyd were top-down, state-backed, and media-backed, not a spontaneous mass movement. Antifa and BLM were stormtroopers of the regime—counterrevolutionary forces, not revolutionary ones. The truth is that it was ever thus, as demonstrated by recent revelations about U.S. federal agencies backing left-wing activism domestically and abroad.
When the peasants actually do revolt without state or media backing, as we saw during the COVID lockdowns, the truncheons and nightsticks tend to come out. In the history of peasant revolts since 209 B.C., only six out of out of 143 documented cases were successful; 131 were utterly crushed by the authorities.
This is not to say that the UK is a well-governed country. It is not. But it takes a lot for “the people to rise up,” especially when they are well-fed and entertained. In America, the white population’s post-1965 demographic decline to just under 58 percent has spurred many claims of impending civil war, such as Thomas Chittum’s 1996 book Civil War II: The Coming Breakup of America. The people did not rise up then, and Donald Trump’s re-election has put the right back to sleep. According to MAGA cheerleaders, “America is saved.”
In Britain, the white demographic decline is just beginning, and is fashionable to say it is a powder keg waiting to explode. But nothing happens spontaneously; civil war requires concerted organization and leadership. Little will result from Britain’s current unrest other than the election of Nigel Farage, but his function, too, will be to put people back to sleep. By the time they wake up again, the damage will already be done.
There’s nothing ‘civil’ about a civil war ...kinda like an oxymoron.
No civil war. Just genocide. The koraminals will slaughter the native Brits to the last.
The British people don’t have the stomach for it or the guns
Nah....they don’t have the balls, or the weapons.
He was a prosecutor, so he thinks in terms of control and keeping a tight lid on the populace.
You can’t have a one-sided war.
nope... not a civil “war”. It will have to be an “insurrection” using the tried and true methods of every flea against an elephant. It will take men willing to do horrible things to those in charge and the flunkies that support or provide intel to the government.
They’ll be no “front lines”. Every single inch of the UK should be made “enemy” territory. There should be no “safe haven” or amiable discussion. Until those conditions are met and men are willing to die.... and kill, they will live with heads down, drinking pints, yelling at soccer matches, watching porn, avoiding offense to the africans and muslims and generally behaving like good little sheep.
They are f’d. We’ll be there soon.
No. Too many British males are useless.
Sure you can. they're having one right now.
History may not repeat itself but it rhymes. Someone's family member will be killed or raped, some job will be lost, some house burned or robbed or some otherwise mundane tragedy will occur and a man with no hope will grab a weapon and go to work.
The first rebels will all die or be imprisoned (as they usually are) but the "idea" will fester.... then a spark and they'll be tears and loud cries of "genocide", "racism" or "fascism" ... but by then the idea will continue like a virus and depending on how sick the "patient" is.. may prove fatal. It's all the same, every time.... just open any book about the rise and falls of empires and its all the same.
The funny part or tragic part is the absolute brutality of the actions taken by the rebels and those in power against them.... men, women and children are all going to participate.... even the very wealthy and supposedly powerful will suffer. Look at what happened to the elites in Russia, France, China, Japan or any other country that has been overwhelmed and destroyed by it's own citizens.....
Civil war in England or anywhere else for that matter is dependent upon how many men there are who WILL NOT back up at a particular red line.
“...not militant jihadis”
Yet.
The civil war will be Hindus vs Muslims.
bkmk
Our billionaire oligarchs have built compounds with underground "safe rooms" far from urban areas. In places like Wyoming, Hawaii, and New Zealand. They hope to ride out any uprisings. Zuckerberg has a compound in Hawaii.
Alas, the British citizens have been conditioned to not fight back. They will be like the frog in the pot with the heat being slowly turned up - they will burn to death slowly in order to avoid being called racists or anti-immigrant.
I like this statement.
Farage's policies and postures made sense - 25 years ago.
Now things have moved far beyond.
The Brits left the best of their manhood on the battlefields of WWI and WWII. They are now, for the most part disarmed sheep.
Brits need to break into the local armory and load up on guns and ammo. This probably won’t happen until after they undergo a financial collapse.
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