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Ukraine's borders must not be changed by force, EU leaders say
BBC ^ | Aug 12 | Laura Gozzi

Posted on 08/12/2025 4:47:56 AM PDT by RandFan

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Time to end this
1 posted on 08/12/2025 4:47:56 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Tell that to Crimea.


2 posted on 08/12/2025 4:49:34 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try )
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To: RandFan

You know how this stops? The citizens of those areas that fell so quickly to Russia should be allowed to vote, but that won’t go so well for Zelensky. Most of those citizens consider themselves to BE russian.

As to the EU? They need to STFU since they have been hiding behind our skirts since this started.


3 posted on 08/12/2025 4:54:45 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: RandFan
Ukraine's borders must not be changed by force, EU leaders say

Am I missing something......last time I looked they already had!

4 posted on 08/12/2025 5:01:40 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: RandFan

“Vitamin D and Magnesium”

True in an ideal world, but if China had slipped-in and flipped Canada’s government to be hostile to the US and a threat militarily, I wouldn’t object to the US looking after its own interests by grabbing pieces of it, particularly if parts of Canada were clamoring for us to come in.


5 posted on 08/12/2025 5:01:46 AM PDT by BobL (If you're over 50 and still eat carbs, expect to become diabetic)
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To: RandFan
Ukraine's borders must not be changed by force, EU leaders say

Wait - weren't the current borders of Ukraine established by the Red Army which took land from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary in 1945?

And wasn't the northern Black Sea coast and Crimea, called Novorossiya, taken from Turkey by force?

6 posted on 08/12/2025 5:06:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: RandFan

So funny.
All Europe’s borders have been redrawn over and over by wars.


7 posted on 08/12/2025 5:07:23 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ LIFE )
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European leaders have warned against Ukrainian borders being redrawn by force

Well let’s look at the options:

Give the Russians a gift basket and ask them to leave 🤔

Pay the Russians to leave 😂

Physically force the Russians to leave……😱

well boys and girls, and I guess that wraps up the Ukrainians options…..

8 posted on 08/12/2025 5:09:48 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show host to me.... Sting)
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To: RandFan

Great short article

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/08/11/german-chancellor-merz-organizes-emergency-eu-summit-to-strategize-how-to-keep-war-going-if-putin-trump-reach-peace-agreement/


9 posted on 08/12/2025 5:12:26 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: RandFan

Maybe if they stopped buying Russian oil, Russia would leave.

But nooooo, they can’t be inconvenienced, only the American taxpayer should be inconvenienced.


10 posted on 08/12/2025 5:17:17 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: RandFan

Good luck with that demand.


11 posted on 08/12/2025 5:20:35 AM PDT by McGruff
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Re: "In a statement, European leaders said, "...the people of Ukraine must have the freedom to decide their future."

Before the war started, it is likely that the large Russian population in Eastern Ukraine would have sought unification with Russia.

However, since the war began, Ukraine Russians have seen up close the complete indifference of President Putin to massive Russian casualties plus his suicidal expenditure of Russian money.

In 2025, I think an honest vote in Eastern Ukraine could go either way.

12 posted on 08/12/2025 5:20:55 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump Landslide? Kamala lost the election by 230,000 votes, in WI, MI, and PA.)
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To: RandFan

I agree with them. But I see how their declaration is meaningless because they have chosen to not be prepared to deal with threats like this. How well have each of those 26 countries done to spend at least 4% of their GDP every year the past few decades on their defense services?


13 posted on 08/12/2025 5:27:51 AM PDT by Degaston
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From the article: ..."territorial integrity" must be respected and "international borders must not be changed by force".

Say the "leaders" who sold their country out to globalists who've used illegal alien invaders to violate Territorial Integrity, including in the United States.

14 posted on 08/12/2025 5:31:34 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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Define “force,” eh:

Ukraine On Fire
https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html


15 posted on 08/12/2025 5:35:10 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Jim Noble

Force is the normal way for borders to change. These people act like saying something makes it so - the expected progression after you say that a man calling himself a woman makes him a woman.

The whole issue here is whether Ukraine can be made to face reality, or whether they will continue to kill off their own people in order to deny reality.

Most of the leaders in the EU are delusional; nobody should even pay attention to what comes out of their mouths.


16 posted on 08/12/2025 5:53:45 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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These people act like saying something makes it so - the expected progression after you say that a man calling himself a woman makes him a woman.

A+. Very important observation, applicable to the entire liberal/leftist fantasy structure.

I'm stealing it.

17 posted on 08/12/2025 5:56:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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Ukraine's borders must not be changed by force, EU leaders say

In a way, I agree with this statement.

But Starmer and Macron will have to raise an army and send their soldiers to Ukraine.

I doubt they can even find 10,000 men together so they can send a division to Ukraine.

18 posted on 08/12/2025 6:00:22 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Tell that to Serbia and Kosovo.


19 posted on 08/12/2025 6:04:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: 13Sisters76
The citizens of those areas that fell so quickly to Russia should be allowed to vote, but that won’t go so well for Zelensky. Most of those citizens consider themselves to BE russian.

What complete nonsense! The majority of the inhabitants of Donbas considered themselves Ukrainian. Kherson and Zaporizhzia only have 14% and 25% of their respective populations who identify as Russian. Recent polls in Donbas show a preference for unity with Ukraine over Russia 2:1. Only Crimea has a majority Russian population.

20 posted on 08/12/2025 6:07:16 AM PDT by Petrosius
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