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Posted on 08/09/2025 6:53:29 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
The Air Force has charged an airman with making false statements, obstructing justice and involuntary manslaughter in the July 20 shooting death of a security forces airman at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming, the service announced Friday.
The suspect was arrested recently as the investigations into the shooting and the safety of the military's M18 pistols launched in the wake of Airman Brayden Lovan's death progressed, the Air Force said in a brief statement. The suspect was not named in the statement.
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My SIG M-18 is in my weekly carry rotation and I am totally comfortable with the pistol.
Go back to the M1911a1 .45 ACP. The “Deuce and a half” of military pistols. They’ll always be around.
Have only owned a few Sig’s and I carry a P365. Never had one run out of the box without plenty down the pipe to ensure reliability. Plenty of complaints about Sig America management on Glassdoor to forums. Every H+K I’ve had runs perfectly from the get go. Just wish they made something easier to carry
I’m really confused now, I saw on YT various vids where the guy actually created an uncommanded firing of the M18, by squeezing the slide against the receiver. But according to the Sig armorer it won’t discharge unless you put your finder on the trigger.
I wonder why the shooter’s name has not been released yet? What would be the reason?
Yet this is another case of a fake claim of the Sig P320 being unsafe. Horseplay seems to be the cause of this one too.
I have a P320 and cannot get it to fire as claimed by these types of false reports.
Me too. That is why appreciate the opinions of all my FRiends.
“by squeezing the slide against the receiver.”
They also first shoved a screw in front of the trigger, basically pulling it back just to the edge of firing. So, fake claim there too.
I don't know the details of this incident, but when I was in the Army two bored gate guards, late at night, were playing quick draw with their M1911's, and guess what? The victim was a dead man the moment his buddy pulled the trigger.
Somebody wanted to shoot somebody in that case.
It was right there in your statement: “SIG Armorer”. Someone with a vested interest in SIG products being successful. A knowledgeable 3rd party investigating would be a better idea.
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One of my coworkers, who had always been a 1911 guy, bought a full size Sig 9mm. Don’t know the model but it was a special model and had SAS engraved on the slide.
He was in the kitchen one morning showing off his new pistol, and he dropped it on the tile floor. It landed on the back of the slide and the round in the chamber discharged. Luckily no one was injured.
He contacted Sig and they said that was impossible. They paid to ship it to the factory. Nothing was found and they returned the weapon with zero explanation.
A training officer at boot camp in the 70s had OOD duty on noght and was practicing his quick draw in the duty room one eveninh with yhe 1911. The weapon discharged no injuries but that junior officer was in big trouble. He was a jerk anyway.
On a pier in GTMO as twilight was approching an another JO was quickdrawing his 92F and dropped it on the cement, th CO and GM1 we on the quarter deck, heard the clatter, and the ring banger JO effectively ruined his career chances in one fell swoop. JOs... how some ever get through the academy is a wonder.
I drop tested mine 1,000 times at all angles and heights. Nothing. The first model years ago had a recall. Mine is the second generation M17. No problems.
“how some ever get through the academy is a wonder.”
Because the academies have really, really low standards. Tough to actually flunk out. A ‘D’ grade graduates.
I’ve owned and carried many SIG pistols. P220, 226, 229, 365 lately and not only are they more ergonomically suited to my hand-eye coordination, they’re more compact and hold more rounds than the traditional single-stack 1911’s I have owned and carried (I own my grandfather’s pistol from WW1, mfd in 1914, I had it appraised at a gunshow by some guy who used to write for NRA or Blue Book, I forget his name years back for insurance purposes - 95%), several S&W 1911 models, Colts, Spriingfield, Argentine DGFM’s, have made a handful on mill from 80% receivers and love the fit/feel/recoil of a good 1911, I just find them harder to pack on my 5’9” 160 lb frame.
Ergonomics and accuracy beats caliber alone.
I have had a Sig 2022 for years. It is basically a 226 but with a polymer frame like a Glock. I think it was the first entry of Sig into the polymer market. It has been an excellent and reliable pistol. Like most pistols it is more accurate than the typical person shooting it. But we all have certain guns that just seem to shoot better and more accurate for us. The 2022 is that for me. I know many European police departments chose them when they came out and there were no issues.
I'll respectfully disagree here, my good FRiend, as it's quite easy to get dismissed from any of the academies. Academics, physical fitness, minor crimes that would be overlooked anywhere else, and even telling a lie can get one booted.
I talked w one former midshipman who didn't pass differentials in calc and that was it, he was out. Another just missed the physical fitness running minimum time on his IIRC third try, that was it. Chemistry is known as the "plebe killer" as it's so frequently failed.
Many stories just like this. Tons of pressure on these amazing young folks.
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