Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

Department of Justice ^ | 06/28/2022 | U.S. Attorney’s Office

[No name given]

Good question!

[plain talk]

That does make a lot of sense and could indeed be the situation.

[nitzy]

I'm just saying that I don't have some burning desire to see every intelligence operation exposed just because it may have had some connection with Epstein.

Maybe you aren't convinced but you could certainly see the possibility that the Epstein operation could have been to gain kompromat on U.S. (and global) financial, scientific and political leaders to help Israel, don't you? You at least acknowledge that is a possibility, right?

You would have to be intentionally obtuse to think an intelligence agent inviting powerful men to his island where they ended up engaging in inappropriate behavior with young girls COULD NEVER be for the purpose of gaining blackmail. If that is what was going on, would you have a burning desire to have that exposed?

I certainly would.

[bobbo666]

And, this is total bullshitte since you cannot have a victim without a perpetrator. Not one is ever named.
Which is why I do not accept DJTrump’s position on this. He is embracing the PERCEPTION that he is covering up — precisely what the commie trash on the left will say.
And, they are right. This is the perception.

If he clings to this asinine position he has betrayed the country and MAGA.

[gloryblaze]

... you cannot have a victim without a perpetrator. Not one is ever named.

No perp named? Ah, the names are Maxwell and Epstein.

[af_vet_1981]

Jeffrey Epstein was an American.

Maybe you aren't convinced but you could certainly see the possibility that the Epstein operation could have been to gain kompromat on U.S. (and global) financial, scientific and political leaders to help America, don't you? You at least acknowledge that is a possibility, right?

From Wiki:

Epstein also stated to some people at the time that he was an intelligence agent.[55] During the 1980s, Epstein possessed an Austrian passport that had his photo, but with a false name. The passport showed his place of residence as Saudi Arabia.[56][57] In 2017, "a former senior White House official" reported that Alexander Acosta, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case in 2008, had stated to interviewers of President Donald Trump's first transition team: "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to 'leave it alone'", and that Epstein was "above his pay grade".[58][59]

During this period, one of Epstein's clients was the Saudi Arabian businessman Adnan Khashoggi, who was the middleman in transferring American weapons from Israel to Iran as part of the Iran–Contra affair in the 1980s.[7] Khashoggi was one of several defense contractors that he knew.[31][55] In the mid-1980s, Epstein traveled multiple times between the United States, Europe, and the Middle East.[56][57] While in London, Epstein met Steven Hoffenberg. They had been introduced through Douglas Leese, a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the former U.S. Attorney General.[31]

[ANKE69]

Why the he** is she still in prison???
Acording to Trump, this whole Epstein bs was all a hoax.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

You would have to be intentionally obtuse to think an intelligence agent inviting powerful men to his island where they ended up engaging in inappropriate behavior with young girls COULD NEVER be for the purpose of gaining blackmail.

What you describe would quite possibly be the dumbest blackmail operation in history, and by a guy who had no need to do it to be wildly successful. And I don't believe either he or Mossad could possibly be that stupid.

Blackmailers use their information for threatened exposure of wrongdoing by OTHER people. Someone has an illicit affair, or whatever. What they don't do is personally engage in massive illegal activity themselves, and then threaten to incriminate THEMSELF by exposing someone else who had a much smaller role. It's insane.

Just think of Epstein's blackmail pitch. "If you don't do what I say, I'm going to expose to the world that I run an underage girl trafficking operation where I personally abuse hundreds of girls, and you once came here and had sex with a 17 year old!"

I mean...seriously??

And think of who Epstein/Mossad used. Did they use professional swallows would lure men into sin for juicy photos, or even prostitutes who could be countered on for more discretion? No, they chose to use hundreds of ordinary, unvetted and underaged girls who were then returned back to the U.S. where they were free to tell anyone who would listen exactly what happened.

Which is exactly what happened. And very predictably so.

Epstein's operation was so stupidly thought out and amateurish that it reeks of just his own personal perversions. This wasn't something limited just to some covert "blackmail island". Long before his island, he was abusing underaged girls in his own personal residences in the U.S., and again in a way that led to investigations and reports about him from early on.

There was no blackmailing involved in that. Just him because a perv.

So no, I don't believe that Epstein was planning on blackmailing anyone (inevitably ruining his own life in the process), nor do I believe Mossad would have been involved in such a badly run operation that was exposed and wrecked in less than a decade.

Just doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

[Bob Wills is still the king]

“How in the ever lovin he*l can she be sentenced to 20 years for trafficking when everyone involved in the investigation says there is no list and no one was trafficked?

My common sense thinking says something doesn’t add up..”
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Why would you think anyone involved in human trafficking would keep a written list? It’s just like any other crime where the fewer items of documentation of the crime is better for the criminals involved at all levels.

[Vaduz]

Indeed Jeffrey Epstein is the hot topic not the guy that raped 5 women priorities huh.

[nitzy]

I think you got a few things wrong here.

Primarily...

...that was exposed and wrecked in less than a decade

My understanding is that he was having these types of relationships with US elite since the 1990's.

So no, I don't believe that Epstein was planning on blackmailing anyone (inevitably ruining his own life in the process)

The first time he got busted, he got a sweetheart deal because he "belonged to intelligence". He had no reason to believe that what he was doing was going to lead to any serious repercussions.

I'm also curious how you think it would play out if Bill Gates or Bill Clinton decided to go against the wishes of Epstein's masters and videos of them having sex with an underage girl were leaked to the public? Do you think a viable defense would be, "Yeah, but this random financier who helped me, did way worse stuff..." ? I don't think that's how that would have gone down.

Also, who's to say they didn't use professionals? I would assume they did. Likely some of the perverts preferred pros and other perverts preferred "ordinary, unvetted underage girls" and those are the ones the we have all heard about. Epstein's close friend Jean Luc Bruenel (who's agency was financed by Epstein and who went into hiding after Epstein's arrest and ultimately killed himself) is proven to have fed his models into the sex trade. These girls probably were paid enough that they haven't gone to the press yet.

Lastly, I'm not sure where you were getting that he was "wildly successful". As far as I know he had one client who happened to be a billionaire, signed his house over to him, gave him Power of Attorney and who also happened to be in the MEGA group which was one of the most powerful Israeli lobbying organizations.

I don't think "but why were they so sloppy and obvious about it" is a good defense. It only appears that way in retrospect. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[sit-rep]

i’m sorry to say but I think this was the last straw... the last disappointment I’m going to suffer in my attention to politics... we’ve seen nothing but Breaking Bombshells the last 6 months and who has gone/going to prison for ANYTHING!!???

fk it... (throws in the towel and walks away...)

[GeorgiaDawg32]

I do not trust the media, period, regardless what this article says.

Two months ago, the list “existed” and Bondi had it on her desk.

A month ago, the list “didn’t exist”

Now, a media article says she “only” trafficked to Epstein.

Epstein I’m sure then passed them along (Lolita Island) to his important friends.

I’m sure Griswell knew full well she was the beginning of the supply chain to a host of important and influential people, democrats and republicans included. That she “only” trafficked to Epstein is splitting hairs.

The truth of this will never come out because people will die to protect the secret.

If media articles were to be believed, then
I believe Oswald acted alone (I don’t)
I believe TWA 800 had a center fuel tank explode (I don’t)
I believe Epstein killed himself (I don’t)
I believe the clot shot was safe and effective (It wasn’t)
and on and on.

If I don’t believe any of the above, why should I believe this article? I think we’re being gaslit into an alternate reality.

That said, you have your opinion and that’s fine. I also have my opinion and that too, is fine.

I don’t wish to argue with anyone, but my mind won’t be changed.

[FLT-bird]

Epstein. Maybe he had a voracious appetite.

You really expect anybody to believe all those girls were trafficked for Epstein alone? C'mon.

[madison10]

Solomon did it...😁 Maybe that is why Epstein looked so old.

No, I think Epstein shared his collection with visitors.

[Scrambler Bob]

So much back and forth over the word “list.”
= = =

List can mean tilt.

Like Epstein did; he tilted and fell over.

And like all the details and facts are now listing, too.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

My understanding is that he was having these types of relationships with US elite since the 1990's.

He bought the island in 1998, was investigated by the Palm Beach police in 2005, and it was at that point that most of the powerful people who had previously associated with him stopped. He was then indicted by the FBI in 2007. He also was sued by over 100 "Jane Does" in 2008. So whatever "cover" he would have had would have been blown by that point, and he was on everyone's radar screen.

The first time he got busted, he got a sweetheart deal because he "belonged to intelligence". He had no reason to believe that what he was doing was going to lead to any serious repercussions.

You state as fact something that only Acosta has ever said. And on top of that, the "sweetheart" deal including losing most of his contacts, spending more than a year in prison, and also paying out more than $50M in payments to women he had abused.

And obviously, even Acosta's sweetheart deal was transient at best because the investigations/prosecutions never really stopped. Check out his wikipedia page and see more than 20 lawsuits prosecutions against him from 2008 on. He was immune from "serious repercussions".

I'm also curious how you think it would play out if Bill Gates or Bill Clinton decided to go against the wishes of Epstein's masters and videos of them having sex with an underage girl were leaked to the public? Do you think a viable defense would be, "Yeah, but this random financier who helped me, did way worse stuff..." ? I don't think that's how that would have gone down.

So you think that this information would have somehow leaked about one guy, but nobody would have asked "where did this happen", how did you meet these girls, etc."??? Of course, that all comes out. That would have had to have been part of the prosecution case. If any one of his "guests" was busted, Epstein was busted. It was unavoidable as a part of any investigation.

Also, who's to say they didn't use professionals? I would assume they did.

Using some professionals wouldn't change the fact that he also used 100+ amateurs, many of whom talked to anyone who would listen. That was the stupid move, and that's how/why the whole thing - inevitably - collapsed. Some girls talked, which was as predictable as the sun rising.

I don't think "but why were they so sloppy and obvious about it" is a good defense. It only appears that way in retrospect. Hindsight is always 20/20.

It was obvious when he was first busted way back in 2005. Again, doing this with so many different young girls, taking no steps to ensure they didn't talk, etc., was just dumb. The fact that he had so many different lawsuits filed by so many different women validates the point.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Or to put it differently, if this was really a blackmail and/or intelligence operations, Epstein himself wouldn't have been the primary participant in abusing girls personally. He'd have just run/managed the island, then blackmailed guys with 'hey, what are you doing molesting the poor little girls I hire to work here?" He can then at least claim that his hands are clean, that he did nothing wrong, and it was just the fault of the guys who came to his island and acted like perverts.

That's a blackmail op.

[nitzy]

But the proof is in the pudding…His arrest didn’t derail his close relationships with powerful people. He still associated with Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Leon Black, Alan Dershowitz, Ehud Barak, etc….AFTER his conviction in 2008.

You make some compelling points but where there is smoke, there is fire.

And to your last point regarding him joining in the depravity….maybe he was just a pervert who couldn’t help himself?

[cgbg]

You have raised some solid points on the Epstein matter—and convinced me that we need to see every file and every speck of evidence to see what the true facts are.

My initial view is that it was a Mossad run blackmail operation—but that could be wrong.

Only with Open Kimono can we find out one way or the other.