Electric Desperation: Tesla and Ford Urge Buyers to Act Fast as $7,500 EV Tax Credit Is Set to Expire

Breitbart ^ | 13 Jul 2025 | LUCAS NOLAN

[adorno]

It's so easy to rebut the complete nonsense from those idiots on this thread who think they know more about the auto industry than the Ford CEO. Totally laughable.

Not so laughable.

It's totally possible that some or many people in the forum have more knowledge about EVs and/or ICE cars than the CEOS of car manufacturers.

The CEOs are there to lead the company towards selling their products and to make a profit. The CEOs don't have to know the technology, as long as hey can sell cars.

That's not to say that people in chat sites all know better than the CEOs, but, it's possible to know more about the technology than those CEOs. CEOS are hired to run the business and not the technology behind the scenes, although they should know something about the technical side of things.

[Williams]

Agreed.

[willk]

“Get $7,500 EV tax credit on their Inferior product”

The Ford Lightning and Tesla Cybertruck are superior to simular trucks except for distance towing.

[gw-ington]

Logic?

For starters... your Appeal to Novelty Fallacy ... your Straw Man Fallacy ... your Bandwagon Fallacy ... you're ... Arguing from Inertia ... the Positive Thinking Fallacy ... "Save the Children" Fallacy as well as Scare Tactics ... Two-sides Fallacy ...

We'll rightfully reject any proposed solution that's not better than the one we have had in place for more than a century.

Now you're desperately trying to divert the discussion by playing some sort of long-winded logic game.

As I said, the Ford CEO (who also sells EVs) recently publicly stated that EVs are the real deal and that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the entire global auto industry. In contrast, you claim EVs are junk and can be totally ignored.

Either the Ford CEO is right or you are. Literally every sane person would agree with the Ford CEO regarding EVs, and literally every sane person knows you're a BS artist who is full of it.

A question you're afraid to answer: Who knows more about the auto industry and the EV industry - Ford CEO Jim Farley ... or you?

We're patiently awaiting your answer to the easy-to-answer question ... not absurd non-answers and diversions and long-winded logic games but a straightforward answer: Who's right about EVs? You or the Ford CEO?

[adorno]

The best selling car in the world is an EV!

LOL!

Just because ONE vehicle is the best seller, does not mean that all EVs are outselling the ICE vehicles.

LOL, again.

Teslas, although fine EVs, are popular because they were the best at the time they came out, and they are still selling at huge numbers, because of the big hype that came from the then hysterical climate-change nutjobs who were looking for something to validate their drive to move from fossil-fuels.

Were it not for the climate-change hysteria, Tesla vehicles would still not be selling more than the lowest selling ICE vehicle. Thank the nutty democrats for the popularity of Teslas, with the government subsidy that helped out. Imagine if the same subsidy was also offered for ICE vehicles: NO COMPETITION at all.

Plus, the Europeans were looking for something they could use when fossil-fuels became less abundant. And when it comes to European drivers, they have much smaller countries than what the U.S. is, and driving long distances was not something they needed, so, driving less than 30 mils a day in their EVs was enough for them. Teslas are appropriate fot that market, but not for the U.S in general. If not for the European market, Teslas would still be in the niche category.

One thing that I noticed when driving long distances, is that, there are few Teslas doing it. No Teslas driving on I-10 between Florida and California, and not even between Florida and NY on I-95.

So, you can LOL all you want, but the reality is that, EVs are still not ever going to overtake ICE vehicles. Not in 10 years, and not in 100 years.

When I notices that I could buy two Ford Escapes for the price of on Tesla, I knew that EVs were not for me. One Tesla could last me between 5-10 years, while I could own two Ford Escapes for the same price and they would last me at least 20 years together and perhaps more. Winner? Not the Teslas.

LOL!

[gw-ington]

Not so laughable.

It's totally possible that some or many people in the forum have more knowledge about EVs and/or ICE cars than the CEOS of car manufacturers. The CEOs are there to lead the company towards selling their products and to make a profit. The CEOs don't have to know the technology, as long as they can sell cars. That's not to say that people in chat sites all know better than the CEOs, but, it's possible to know more about the technology than those CEOs. CEOS are hired to run the business and not the technology behind the scenes, although they should know something about the technical side of things.

I've yet to see even one person on this forum who knows anywhere near what the Ford CEO knows about the auto industry and the EV industry. Not even remotely close.

So almost anything's "possible" as you said ... but I see literally zero evidence for your claim that there may be one or more contributors on this forum who know more about autos and EVs than the Ford CEO. The few people on this thread who are frantically railing against EVs come across as complete know-nothing imbeciles.

[EVO X]

The Ford Lightning and Tesla Cybertruck are superior to simular trucks except for distance towing.

I use to go on fishing trips to Canada. One way is about 1K miles. A loaded pick up or SUV with 4 adults and equipment wouldn't even make it to the destination.

[Repeat Offender]

You should ask yourself: What does Ford CEO Jim Farley (whose company also sells EVs) know that you don't? But you will never ask that question of yourself. Why? Because you just want to continue yapping about something you have literally no clue about.

Were you born stupid, or did you have to work at it?

Ford is pulling back from EVs. Cancelling eSUVs (which in case you haven't noticed, the "Big 3" only sell SUVs and Trucks now - SUVs sales are almost half of all new cars in the US), delaying eTruck roll outs and trying to get in on hybrids. They're losing money on electric vehicles.

Ford is taking more than a $400 million write-down on their SUV. And, read the OP article....they're trying to encourage people to buy EVs before the tax subsidy ends.....BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING AND WILL BUY EVEN LESS WITHOUT THE TAX SUBSIDY.

Ford Steps Back From EVs—and Says Hybrids Are the Future

Ford pulls back further from EVs with $1.9 billion SUV pivot The actions amount to further pullback by chief executive Jim Farley, who initially accelerated Ford’s shift to EVs

What Ford's surprise canceling of EV production in favor of 'profitable' ICE vehicles means for industry: 'Thought that growth was going to continue

Many EVs' range now matches or exceeds that of gas cars.

Name one in an apples to apples comparison.

AFAIK, you can't home-fill-up your gas car's gas tank overnight. Technology! LOL. #1 I don't need to because I can fill up in five minutes at a gas station. #2.....I guess you've never heard of a gas can - So yes, if needed, you can fill up your car at home overnight in much less time, AND during a poweroutage.

And going back to the Ford CEO Jim Farley who said that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the whole global auto industry. Those are Farley's words, not mine. (But believe whatever you want. LOL.)

Farley said that because the Biden admin was offering money to subsidize EV production and he wanted gov't loot. That gravy train is over and is not profitable without government subsidies. Since then, Farley's tune has changed - they're reinvesting in PROFITABLE internal combustion vehicles and looking at possibly investing in hybrid.....because the technology and demand for electric vehicles isn't there, and can't compete with ICE vehicles without gov't $$$. Hence the write-down and pivot, on top of begging customers to buy before the subsidy expires.

[adorno]

You have literally no clue what you're talking about. Not a clue in the world. And I'll prove it right now:

You're a funny guy.

China would have to virtually give away their EVs in order to make a dent into the auto market in the U.S. And dumping would be prohibited by our government. So, no chance whatsoever, and China could not afford to give away their vehicles.

Ford, no matter who the CEO is or was, tried their hands on EV making and selling. They lost many billions in that effort and there is no way that Ford stock owners would allow Ford to continue losing billions every year on vehicles that are just major losers. The F-150 electric will be removed from manufacturing, since it's a big loser with every one seld (estimates are that Ford loses about $50,000 on each electric F-150 sold. When I bought an Escape some years ago, I inquired about their electric offerings, and the salespeople actually steered me away from getting one of those, telling me that that they were junk and I would be much better off with gas-powered Escapes.

So, your "Duh!" is very misplaced and it's YOU that has no idea what you're talking about.

[gw-ington]

the reality is that, EVs are still not ever going to overtake ICE vehicles. Not in 10 years, and not in 100 years.

It's a total waste of time trying to discuss or debate the clueless dimwits on this forum who claim EVs are a total disaster. The Ford CEO Jim Farley has publicly stated that EVs are the real deal. Farley even said that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the entire global auto industry. For the few anti-EV dimwits on this thread that don't know what the Ford CEO means by that, he's basically saying President Trump better permanently ban Chinese EVs from the U.S. or else the "Big Three" are absolutely doomed. But if ICE vehicles are so fantastic when compared to EVs (as the few befuddled dimwits on this thread claim), then why is the Ford CEO so extremely worried about the "existential threat" of EVs? Hmmm ...

I also wanted to point out the absolutely ridiculous nature of the so-called "arguments" of the few dimwits on this thread arguing against EVs. Just look at what this guy adorno now cluelessly claims: "the reality is that, EVs are still not ever going to overtake ICE vehicles. Not in 10 years, and not in 100 years."

He says "the reality is" ... and then he comically claims EVs won't overtake ICE vehicles "100 years" from now. How can something 100 years from now possibly be "reality?" LOL. Talk about over-the-top nonsensical gibberish! Too funny.

As you can see for yourself, the few clueless anti-EV dimwits on this thread are just blabbering baboons.

[TexasGator]

“Just because ONE vehicle is the best seller, “

There can only be ONE best seller!

[gw-ington]

You started out by very angrily saying "Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?" (That's the red flag that immediately indicates you're about to spew a huge bunch of totally asinine BS ... which you did right on cue.)

If I'm "stupid" (according to you) then in comparison, you must have a minus one trillion IQ.

A huge part of your response was that Ford was losing like a million dollars per EV (or whatever highly negative number you mentioned). That's because Ford and virtually every other legacy automaker is quite incompetent at technology. Sure they can make a massive extremely heavy combustion engine but that's it - they can't make the transition to EVs. So they're losing like $40,000 or $50,000 or whatever on each EV they sell. That's why you see all those legacy automakers constantly trying to make all kinds of deals and joint ventures with all kinds of auto component manufacturers, software makers (e.g., Apple or Google), etc., because they can't do it themselves. They're all in over their heads. However, it's not the fault of the EV concept itself that all of those legacy companies are (so far) losing tons of money on each EV they sell. It's the problem with the legacy automakers themselves. LOL.

You then implied a gas can at home is the same as an at-home charger. Um, the gas can gives you maybe 20 or 30 miles. The charger can give you a full charge (say 280 miles, 300 miles, whatever). A little bit of a difference there. LOL.

Then you showed your anger with your frantic ALL CAPS SCREAMING AT ME. Talk about desperation. LOL.

And we didn't even consider the self-driving part. Tesla & Waymo leading the way. Ford? Zippo. GM? You're kidding right? Anyone else in the world? Not even close.

But keep trying, clueless anti-EV dimwits ... LOL.

[gw-ington]

“Just because ONE vehicle is the best seller, “

There can only be ONE best seller!

Agreed. The hopelessly clueless anti-EV dimwits on this thread are total buffoons.

[CIB-173RDABN]

Why?

Do your own research, the information is out there.

[lewislynn]

The fact they wouldn’t consider discounts to boost their sales says all you need to know them...especially the drug addled richest man in the world whining about government spending.

[T.B. Yoits]

Now you're desperately trying to divert the discussion by playing some sort of long-winded logic game.

Divert the discussion? That's Projection. I've done nothing to divert this.

And YOU brought logic into it. More correctly, you brought fallacies defying logic into it. And you just added more. Keep going. I have confidence that you can hit them all if you try.

As I said, the Ford CEO (who also sells EVs) recently publicly stated that EVs are the real deal and that Chinese EVs are an "existential threat" to the entire global auto industry.

That's the Appeal to Authority, also known as the argument from authority, authority fallacy, appeal to expertise, appeal to expert opinion, and argumentum ad verecundiam. It's a logical fallacy of when a claim is assumed to be true because it was made by a perceived authority figure. The Ford CEO is biased. At the end of the this post I'll have notes and links to problems Ford has that would make their CEO not credible when it comes to claims about automobiles.

That's also Scare Tactics, that's is an existential threat to the entire global auto industry.

In contrast, you claim EVs are junk and can be totally ignored.

That's the Straw Man fallacy, twice, putting words into somebody's mouth. I never said they were junk nor that they can be totally ignored.

Either the Ford CEO is right or you are.

Oooh, no, that's the Fallacy of a False Dilemma, also known as False Dichotomy or False Binary, a fallacy based on the premise that erroneously limits what options are available.

Literally every sane person would agree with the Ford CEO regarding EVs,

That's Argumentum ad populum, also called "Everyone Knows". You have no way of knowing that every sane person would agree. None. Just stop it.

and literally every sane person knows you're a BS artist who is full of it.

That's a two-fer; Argumentum ad populum ("Everyone Knows") and Ad hominem, attacking the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. So, you've interviewed every sane person and they all know I'm full of it. Major undertaking for that study.

A question you're afraid to answer: Who knows more about the auto industry and the EV industry - Ford CEO Jim Farley ... or you?

That's another Ad Hominem fallacy, saying I'm afraid to answer. It's also the Appeal to Authority fallacy again. The argument stands alone, regardless of the messenger.

We're patiently awaiting your answer

We? It's you, and you're Playing to the Gallery.

...not absurd non-answers and diversions and long-winded logic games...

There are the Ad hominem attacks again. You call them non-answers and diversions, and "long-winded logic games".

...but a straightforward answer: Who's right about EVs? You or the Ford CEO?

That's the False Binary. Forget me or him. The argument stands alone, and as you'll see below, The Market has already voted. Ford is losing billions per year.

Welcome to Free Republic, Mr. Ford Motor Company Representative. Let me give you reasons why the Ford CEO is NOT the one to listen to when he makes Scare Tactic claims.

The Ford CEO is biased. He wants to force people to buy into a dog that will have lost $15.3 billion just in 2023-2025: For the full year of 2024, the Ford electric vehicle business lost $5.1 billion, even worse than its loss of $4.7 billion the year prior. It expects to lose even more, $5.5 billion, on EVs in 2025.
https://gizmodo.com/ford-still-losing-billions-on-evs-but-not-all-is-lost-2000560509

Ford Breaks Recall Record in 2025, has issued more recalls in America than any other automaker, more than the next five automakers combined: 68 of them, affecting more than 8.7 million vehicles. That was up from 53 recalls affecting 5.4 million cars the year prior, according to federal data. In 2021, Ford set aside some $4 billion just for warranty costs
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-breaks-recall-record-in-2025-has-more-than-the-next-five-automakers-combined-254244.html

In 2022, Ford issued more recalls in America than any other automaker: 68 of them, affecting more than 8.7 million vehicles. That was up from 53 recalls affecting 5.4 million cars the year prior, according to federal data. In 2021, Ford set aside some $4 billion just for warranty costs.

Has Ford Become One Of The Worst Manufacturers? The recalls address misaligned oil plugs causing potential leaks, faulty seatbelt pretensioners, high-voltage battery junction box fuse failures, and overheating issues in Transit Connect vans due to incorrect software. These recalls follow several other recent actions, highlighting ongoing quality control issues for the automaker, which has already faced numerous recalls across different model lines in recent weeks.
https://www.autoguide.com/auto/manufacturers/ford/has-ford-become-one-of-the-worst-manufacturers-44618209

Ford Recalls 850,000 Cars Over Potential Fuel Pump Failure
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65380916/ford-fuel-pump-failure-recall/

US expands probe into Ford engine failures to include two motors and nearly 709,000 vehicles
https://apnews.com/article/ford-investigation-engine-failure-bronco-edge-f150-27-liter-2ca83270a0f4324dc15699a75c2f426c

Ford Re-Re-Recalls Vehicles For Backup Camera Failures (Yes, that's three recalls for the same failure).
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2025/ford-re-re-recalls-vehicles-for-backup-camera-failures.shtml

Ford recalls 272K+ SUVs, trucks over battery issue that could cause stalling while driving
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ford-recalls-272k-suvs-trucks-over-battery-issue-could-cause-stalling-while-driving

Ford can’t afford to miss on quality in the EV revolution
https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/17/23604687/ford-f150-lightning-battery-recall-ev-quality

[T.B. Yoits]

...the horses were smart sober enough to go around the tree but the tree had to be removed in a later year because early automobile drivers kept running into the tree.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Lol…no doubt true!

[Georgia Girl 2]

When you have a poor business model you have a poor business model. EVs are not the way of the future. Hydrogen is.

[perfect_rovian_storm]

You’re fighting someone below your weight class with this guy, but thank you for taking the time.