Didn't look right
Posted on 06/13/2025 8:49:47 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods
Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, who had 8,200 hours of flying experience, desperately cried 'Mayday…no thrust, losing power, unable to lift' before the aircraft went down and hit a residential property.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Time will tell. Pilot error. Thanking you very kindly for flying Air India.
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A couple of videos from pilots showed up on my feed this morning. Completely unrelated youtube channels. Both came to the same “probable cause”, and included other “less likely” causes.
The probable cause? (and the video supports it)
The captain told the co-pilot to raise the landing gear, and he raised the flaps instead.
FWIW, the two videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7EZkungFEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVX_F39SKpY
I love the Youtube “history” feature...
The video on the Daily Mail article mentions a bird strike but I’m quite sure the airplane can fly with only one engine. Is this correct?
They do mention a catastrophic loss of power and there was one person who posted on Twitter that he had ridden in the airplane just its previous flight.
He was showing that none of the electronics were working.
Exactly. Time will tell, but from all the pilots, I’ve looked at the video and commented on a couple things stand out. The landing year was still down, the flaps were in the wrong position in the plane was level fight.
As one pilot said, if you lost one engine, you would expect the plane to not be level. They could’ve lost both engines, hypothetically, which is never happened in the history of the Boeing 787, but they didn’t appear to be any sign of that
dding to the questions. Why “no thrust”
Operating on the back side of the power curve
Was Captain Sabharwal’s co-pilot by any chance a female former Biden staffer?
There was no yaw that would have indicated a single engine failure.
No flap takeoff will seem like a thrust issue. The plane will go into a high angle of attack and cause significant drag.
The 787 is rated for a single engine takeoff.
“He was showing that none of the electronics were working.”
It was pointed out that the electronics that run the passenger area are a completely separate system from the electronics that fly the plane.
Thanks, and the plane did look a bit “nose up” to my non-expert eyes in the videos as it settled toward the ground.
One of the videos says that because the plane was flying level it means both engines were on the same power. Also, a bird strike would have resulted in burning stuff coming out of the back of the engines.
Bird strike highly unlikely. I know the videos are somewhat long, but once you see both of them, pretty much everything except the “raised flaps instead of landing gear” explanation falls apart. As the first video shows, you can pretty much see the point in time where the flaps were raised, due to the change in the aircraft’s change in attitude. I sure could.
The video of a passenger on a previous flight showing how things were not working with regards to the air conditioning and electronics PLUS the report that the aircraft recently came out of refurbishment... There were issues on this aircraft on the previous flight...
Could be just like the Alaska Airlines where they had warnings about pressurization which the DEI pilots ignored and decided to fly the jet anyway.
What are the maintenance squawks on this 787 aircraft after the refurbishment. Were there any squawks that were ignored? The fact that the wheels remained down is the biggest indicator that we have now. There is no definitive answer on the flaps because of the low grade videos out there. FIND the Black Box on the instruments...
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That statement is misleading at best. No multi engine aircraft is rated for single engine take off. Part 25 Airplanes however have the ability to maintain 1st and 2nd segment climb after V1.
YouTuber Captain Steeeve has a recent 17 minute vid on what he thinks might have happened and why, on lift vs power.
https://youtu.be/z7EZkungFEE?feature=shared
He’s wondering if the copilot went to retract the landing gear and accidently grabbed the wrong handle and raised the flaps instead.
Be sure to read the comments if you get a chance.
A lot of interesting, informative discussion there, too.
I imagine the black box will find that the pilot said "gear up" and the noob co-pilot raised the flaps instead.
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