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Plane crashes at Florida airport, at least 3 reported dead
Not The Bee ^ | April 11, 2025 | Staff

Posted on 04/11/2025 9:59:23 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Dr. Franklin
I'd rather have an old Baron with a glass cockpit than the somewhat similar 310.

Here's a 310

And a Baron, with the great wide, side door :-)


41 posted on 04/11/2025 11:08:13 AM PDT by Bobalu (I can’t even feign surprise anymore...)
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To: Red Badger

Took me a while to find the other end of that piece of spaghetti.


42 posted on 04/11/2025 11:13:43 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Red Badger

AND PEOPLE ARGUE WITH ME THAT RIDING MY HORSES IS DANGEROUS


43 posted on 04/11/2025 11:41:05 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

But but but, everyone can be a pilot, just ask say of the pilot schools.


44 posted on 04/11/2025 11:42:35 AM PDT by Mouton (There is a new sheriff and deputy in town now!)
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To: V_TWIN

Who records a preflight check?
How is a preflight check recorded?


45 posted on 04/11/2025 11:45:59 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: HerrBlucher

Maybe the pilot was also a NASCAR racer and got confused


46 posted on 04/11/2025 11:48:58 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: ridesthemiles

Just ask Christopher Reeve.

But no. I love horses and use to ride while young


47 posted on 04/11/2025 11:50:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: hoosierham

There was an electric plane showroom in our Silicon Valley town for a while. It was for commuting by air and taking weekend trips up to Napa Valley. The founder / CEO told me that with automation and 3D sensing that the plane would be safer than driving your car on the Interstate! I thought “Uh huh, sure.”


48 posted on 04/11/2025 11:54:27 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (All we want is the same deportation policy that Martha's Vineyard has. That's it.)
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

Where I worked at a Navy depot level maintenance facility we did what was called a “ground check” prior to flight.
Basically a formal check list document backed up by Quality personnel oversight.

Maybe preflight check means something different to me than you?


49 posted on 04/11/2025 11:58:08 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: blackdog

“#1 cause is not removing control surfaces locking pins.”

Wow, really? Sounds like #1 cause is skipping the preflight check!

That’s right up there with forgetting to lower the landing gear.


50 posted on 04/11/2025 11:58:12 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (All we want is the same deportation policy that Martha's Vineyard has. That's it.)
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To: V_TWIN

In all fairness, full inputs on rudder while on the ground and your nose wheel pin is in place, (links nosewheel steering to rudder) is not a good idea. The rudder is not like ailerons and horizontal stabilizer which have free movement to full control input without damaging things. At pre-takeoff run-up, the rudder is usually just wiggled by light inputs.


51 posted on 04/11/2025 12:25:35 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I watch car crashes on YouTube. It’s not unusual to see a plane crash.


52 posted on 04/11/2025 12:27:37 PM PDT by roving
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To: V_TWIN

“ Doesn’t anyone do maintenance and preventative maintenance anymore? 🤷”

We had a plane crash at Tucson International Airport several years ago because of lack of rudder control. The rudder had a control lock that had not been removed prior to takeoff. This problem would have been prevented if the pilot did a thorough pre-flight inspection.


53 posted on 04/11/2025 1:13:44 PM PDT by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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To: HerrBlucher
Or do a pre-flight check………

Don't know of a pilot who wouldn't do that. Rudder cable probably snapped right after take-off.

54 posted on 04/11/2025 1:36:55 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

May God rest their souls.


55 posted on 04/11/2025 1:37:31 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: toddausauras
China with remote control?

,,, not with light aircraft but probably BYD vehicles.

56 posted on 04/11/2025 1:53:27 PM PDT by shaggy eel (A long way south of the border.)
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To: V_TWIN

God Bless the thoroughness of military aviation discipline.

In general aviation, there is a preflight inspection to be conducted by the pilot prior to flight. This inspection is outlined in the Pilot Operating Handbook. It is not documented, unless some organization uses a formal checklist where items are checked off and signed by either maintenance, flight crew or both. That is highly unlikely with a privately owned Cessna 310.


57 posted on 04/11/2025 2:22:56 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Red Badger
If you think the rudder is what causes the airplane to turn, YOU'RE WRONG.

The rudder is for maintaining the a/c "in trim" so it's flying with minimum aerodynamic drag. What causes an airplane to turn is banking the wings, which moves the wings' lift vector out of vertical. Tilting the lift vector is what causes the a/c to turn.

If you think loss of rudder authority automatically means you're going to crash, YOU'RE WRONG.

Notwithstanding multi-engine airplanes with in-line engines, like the Cessna Skymaster (AKA the PushMe-PullYou), trim/yaw can be controlled (to an extent) by means of differential thrust. And every multi-engine-rated pilot in existence is trained in its usefulness.

The pilots of United Flight 232 (a DC-10 en route to Sioux Falls) used differential thrust for both yaw and pitch control after their in-tail engine came apart in flight and disabled both the elevator and rudder controls.

They only half regained control and the landing impact was so hard the empennage broke of and ~2/5ths of the pax died in the ensuing break-up, but not a blessed one of them would have lived had the pilots not thought outside the box to fly the plane using differential thrust. It probably would have landed even harder, and probably somewhere besides a prepared runway.

The rudder of the 310 is operated by a pair of cables working in opposition. If the rudder had been stuck or one cable broken/unattached on the ground, this should have been obvious to the pilot thru if not preflight then through pedal feel on taxi and especially take-off.

58 posted on 04/11/2025 4:13:02 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: monkeyshine

NASCAR version!


59 posted on 04/15/2025 7:42:31 AM PDT by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
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