And these as well...
Posted on 03/25/2025 9:27:17 PM PDT by Cronos
The Putin fanboys have brought security to eastern Europe.
You can’t argue with jerks.
Thank you for informing us that you define normal.
An apt remark. Cronos, a legal resident of Poland, post an article from media in Kyiv, to tell what will happen in the future.
But since a neocon speaking for the Obama administration stated clearly. "F Europe," and since Lithuania like Ukraine is in Europe, perhaps that sentiment echoes.
From 2014...As one watches President Trump and Vice President Vance attempt to solve this Biden-fueled mess within the context of our nation's still growing national debt -- well over $ 36.6 trillion now -- this becomes a money game. How much more? The deep state and neocons say "more." Europe says more." Democrats say "more." Kyiv says "more." The consistent them here is about money. More money, and lots of it."The assistant US secretary of state, Victoria Nuland, has apologised after her phone conversation about the political crisis in Ukraine was leaked on the internet. The call between Nuland and a US ambassador focused on the future of the country if it gains a new government. Nuland declined to comment on 'private diplomatic conversations'...."
‘F**k the EU’: US diplomat Victoria Nuland's phonecall leaked - video
"Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked."
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
"The US state department did not directly confirm that the leaked audio clip posted on YouTube captures the voices of the top US diplomat for European and Eurasian affairs,Victoria Nuland, and US ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. However, the department's spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that Nuland, who made the disparaging remark about the EU, 'has been in contact with her EU counterparts and of course has apologised for these reported comments'."
US official apologises to EU counterparts for undiplomatic language
YouTube has taken down videos of this, and yet they keep getting posted: "F**k the EU!" = Victoria Nuland & Geoffrey Pyatt secret phone talk
To say "no more money" is not being a "Putin fan" or anything like it, but to think America first, middle and last.
If Europe -- whether Lithuania, UK, France, Germany or beyond -- wants to fight in Ukraine with their money is their business. And their troops, if it comes to that. But it won't.
The entire game is prying "more" out of our deeply indebted nation. Lithuania can place all the land mines it wants, because I echo Nuland's single succinct phrase.
A small detail. Articles about Poland doing the same cry headlines loudly, but the little details within show that this urge for land mines actually being laid is at least another six months away. The media's intent is to pry more money out of our US. Plain and simple.
It's complicated. From what I see, first (though "first" goes back to Adam), both Russia and Ukraine were misled with [non-binding, except that your word should be trusted] assurances (that NATO would not expand, and the West would protect Ukraine:
U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
The first concrete assurances by Western leaders on NATO began on January 31, 1990, when West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher opened the bidding with a major public speech at Tutzing, in Bavaria, on German unification. ...Genscher made clear “that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’ Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the Soviet borders.’” - https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
The [Budapest] memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with U.S. Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,[3] prohibited Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[4][5]
The United States and United Kingdom were first to breach the Budapest Memorandum in 2003 when they imposed sanctions against Belarus. In 2013, the US also stated that the Budapest Memorandum were not legally binding, after it imposed sanctions on Belarus which contravened article 3 of the memorandum.
Russia breached the Budapest memorandum in 2014 with its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea.[6][7] As a response, the US, UK and France provided Ukraine with financial and military assistance, and imposed economic sanctions on Russia, while ruling out "any direct interventions to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia".[6] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
2.
Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych..ran for president in the 2004 election, where he was declared the winner against Viktor Yushchenko. However, allegations of electoral fraud and voter intimidation caused widespread protests, in what became known as the Orange Revolution. The Ukrainian Supreme Court nullified the election and ordered a rerun, which Yanukovych lost to Yushchenko [which pro-Putin defenders ascribe to Western influence]. Yanukovych ran for president again in 2010, this time beating Yulia Tymoshenko in an election deemed free and fair by international observers.[6][7]
In November 2013, Yanukovych suddenly withdrew from signing an association agreement with the EU, amidst economic pressure from Russia.[11] Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement.[12] This sparked massive protests against him, known as the Euromaidan.[13][14][15] The unrest peaked in February 2014, when almost 100 protesters were killed by government forces.[16]An agreement was then signed by Yanukovych and the opposition, but he secretly fled the capital that evening. The next day, 22 February 2014, Ukraine's parliament voted to remove him and schedule early elections on the grounds that he had withdrawn from his constitutional duties.[17][18] [Which pro-Putin defenders state was illegal, and ascribe it all to Western/CIA etc. influence]. Some of his own party voted for his removal.[19][20][21][22] Ukraine's new government issued an arrest warrant for Yanukovych, accusing him of responsibility for the killing of protesters. He fled to Russia, claiming to still be the head of state.[23] In 2019, he was sentenced in absentia to a thirteen-year prison term for high treason by a Ukrainian court.[24] In polling conducted since he left office, Yanukovych has ranked as one of the worst presidents in Ukrainian history.[c] -Then there is the disputed referendum of 2014 in which 95.5% of voters in Crimea supported joining Russia and disputed allegations of ethnic persecution of in Crimea by both Ukraine (past) and Russia (present).
The US and Russia seeking to influence elections in the interest of natl security is not new. Then there is the influence of those seeking military contracts which wars result in, while on the other hand the premise of strict isolationists that the US need not be involved in military actions in foreign wars is not rational, absent a "Starwars" system of deterrence.
The way i see it is that NATO nations to which Ukraine looks to please is overall is committing slow suicide in its post-Christian adoption of Wokeism, and its immorality - which Putin resists to a strong degree (yet abortion continues, as does contraception) - while corruption is very significant in both Ukraine and Russia.
However, the premise of Putin that he needed to deter NATO from aggression against Russia is absurd, and attacking Ukraine (in his longing for Soviet "glory") only serves to validate the deterrent premise of NATO.
And Russia, aligned with China, Iran and N. Korea (communists, militant Islam, and an atheist) is the only real military threat in Asia to the US, which Putin only affirms.
Which flows from WW2 (which flows from...) and wicked satanic Stalin, whom it seems Putin has only a positive words to say, and his espionage, resulting in the US fighting proxy wars for over 70 years.
Thus, while Western Europe in particular is an ideological enemy to conservatives, Putin - esp. with his allies - has only become more manifest as the only real military threat in Asia to the world, whose nukes make no distinction btwn conservative and liberals.
Its called “fearmongering”.
Ping
For the longest time all of the leading Europeons have been insisting that Russia is going to invade Europe for no particular reason.
In the meantime Russia will keep grinding down the Ukes in the eastern Ukraine like they’ve been doing for the past three years.
I agree the EU is probably encouraging this discussion for its own selfish reasons, but it’s a pretty reasonable concern, actually.
Russia has historically been belligerent in the area and Putin certainly stupidly dreams of conquering weaker states.
They’ve been at this since Peter.
bttt
Yes, the Euro countries need to worry. After all, Russian troops swarmed into Ukraine completely occupying the entire country in less than a year. Now that all resistance has been mopped up and their leaders executed, they are massing troops and tanks on the borders of Poland. Hundreds of Polish soldiers have already been killed in border skirmishes with thousands of Polish women raped by Russians. It has even been reported that Russian soldiers are burning little children and kittens to death. /s/
Seriously, Ukraine has pretty much made a stalemate out of the war. Since the invasion Russia has not been able to take out Ukraine and has lost hundreds of thousands of troops and thousands vehicles. If Russia’s conventional military cannot take out Ukraine, just how in the hell are they supposed to take over the rest of Europe?
TGhe Russian forces that began the invasion of Ukraine are dead. Their armor is rusting iron hulks.
Meh...Poland has about two weeks of ammo to fight off a Russian invasion, Lithuania has much less than that.
Stay in your lane Chuck
The Baltic states are the next target. The US and NATO can better support them than the Ukraine.
A pause, for whatever reason in Ukraine, will free up the Russian troops needed to take the Suwauki Gap, linking Kaliningrad with Belarus and cutting off the Baltics.
Nah, what General Dariusz said was 2 weeks for selected weaponry.
It’s good he gave that wakeup call. The Czechs will fill that gap for now
Not so much take over “the rest of Europe” or even the Baltics, but at the very least they can cause a lot of pain to a lot of people for little gain.
Can the Russkies afford to open another new front?
The Baltic states and all of Russia’s neighbors are worried and rightfully so given the BEAR’S history.
Would Putin extend his already over-extended forces into the Baltic or Scandinavia?
Is Western Europe ready? No, they are not. Are the Europeans willing to fight and die for their respective countries? Research thus far also says no. So can the Russkies run rough-shod over the pacifistic Europeans? Maybe.
Can they invade former East-bloc, Conservative states? They will die trying.
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