Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Where Did 6 Million Presidential Votes For Democrats Go Between 2020 and 2024?
The Federalist ^ | 12/18/2024 | James M. Thunder

Posted on 12/19/2024 8:44:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind

It’s unclear where the Democratic vote went in 2024.

Last month, Karl Rove published a Wall Street Journal op-ed noting that, with 2.2 million California votes then yet to be counted, in 2024 Kamala Harris obtained some 7.5 million fewer votes than Joe Biden had in 2020. With the votes now in, we see Donald Trump received 77.3 million votes nationwide this year, 3,056,000 more than his 72.25 million in 2020.

By contrast, Harris received a whopping 6,267,500 fewer than Biden did. Where did Biden’s 2020 voters and their votes go in 2024?

Even if half of the 6 million went to Trump’s 3 million improvement, this still leaves the question of what happened to Biden’s 3 million who forsook Harris. We know they didn’t go to third-party candidates, because the totals for third-party candidates declined 656,000 in 2024, from 2,272,500 in 2020 to 1,616,600 (all numbers are rounded).

Next, let’s see where Trump improved his vote tally in 2024 over 2020. He obtained his extra 6 million from all but ten states: Alaska (down 5,500), Hawaii (-3,000), Indiana (-9,600), Kansas (-12,400), Louisiana (-47,000), Mississippi (-8,800), Oregon (-39,000), Washington (-53,600), West Virginia (-11,900), Wyoming (-1,000). In each of these ten states, Harris’ 2024 votes declined from 2020 approximately double or more than Trump’s decline, so his drop did not help her.

Harris’ totals in 44 states were below Biden’s, according to my calculations using vote totals rounded from Federal Election Commission results for 2016 and 2020 and the currently available results from the 50 states and D.C. for 2024. Harris improved the 2024 vote tally over Biden’s 2020 tally in only six states. Utah’s vote for Harris increased over Biden by a mere 2,300.

The other five were swing states, discussed below. Amazingly, although Harris improved on Biden in these six states, Harris was still eclipsed by Trump’s improvements and he won all six states. Let’s see what happened in the seven swing states (in alphabetical order):

Next, let’s sample ten other states (also in alphabetical order):

Again, it’s unclear where the Democratic vote went in 2024, since only half of the missing votes between 2020 and 2024 may have gone to Trump and none to third-party candidates. Maybe they stayed home, as Rove suggests? Or was it that the Democratic vote in 2020 was somehow inflated — perhaps it wasn’t real (i.e., wasn’t legal), as Rove rejects?

It certainly may seem that, for some reason, Biden’s 2020 vote total of 81 million was an outlier, since it was a whopping 15 million more than Hillary Clinton’s vote total in 2016. At the same time, however, Trump’s 2020 total of 73 million was 11 million over his 63 million in 2016, and there is no claim that Trump’s 2020 total was inflated by illegal votes.

If Biden’s 2020 vote was an outlier, then maybe we should look at Clinton’s 2016 vote for some kind of baseline. How did Harris do by comparison? Overall, Harris had 75 million in 2024 compared to Hillary’s 66 million in 2016.

In 47 states, Harris did appreciably better than Clinton did. In Pennsylvania she did a half million better, in Texas by 1 million, and in Virginia by 400,000. She declined from Hillary in only three states, and then only by a bit: Illinois, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

For an additional reference point, let’s look at how Trump did in 2024 over 2016. Trump garnered 77.3 million votes in 2024 versus 63 million in 2016, an improvement of more than 14 million. He improved substantially in every state except Maine, where he improved by only 2,500 votes.

Here are results from 13 states, including all seven swing states (in alphabetical order), that account for more than 7 million of Trump’s 14-plus million improvement: Arizona (Trump went up 500,000), California (up 1.5 million), Florida (1.5 million), Georgia (500,000), Michigan (500,000), Nevada (250,000), New Mexico (100,000), North Carolina (500,000), Pennsylvania (600,000), South Carolina (300,000), Utah (350,000), Virginia (300,000), Wisconsin (300,000).

So, why was Biden so high in 2020 and Harris so low in 2024?


James M. Thunder has retired from the practice of law. He is the author of more than 250 publications on law, public policy, history, biography, and religion. He is the co-author of a forthcoming compendium of biographies of the 49 men and women who have served as U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C., since 1801.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2020; 2024; voterfraud
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-59 next last

1 posted on 12/19/2024 8:44:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

RE: So, why was Biden so high in 2020 and Harris so low in 2024?

One benign explanation: Most of those who gave Biden the 2020 victory got disillusioned and stayed home rather than vote for a continuation of his policies under Kamala. Of course they still hate Trump, so they wouldn’t vote for him.

Other than that, I can’t think of any other explanation without using the word — CHEATING.


2 posted on 12/19/2024 8:46:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

a couple million went to Trump

The rest stayed home because they realized that they were conned in 2020 about how terrible Trump’s reelection would be


3 posted on 12/19/2024 8:48:33 AM PST by ChronicMA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
One benign explanation: Most of those who gave Biden the 2020 victory got disillusioned and stayed home rather than vote for a continuation of his policies under Kamala. Of course they still hate Trump, so they wouldn’t vote for him.

This describes my 90-year-old father. A reliable Dem voter since the 1950s, he chose to stay home this year.
4 posted on 12/19/2024 8:50:34 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Occam’s Razor: The Democrats exploited the pandemic to engage in massive vote fraud in 2020. The Republican National Committee leader in 2020 was Ronna Romney McDaniel who was completely clueless on ballot integrity and election security.

In 2024, the Republicans lawyered up and were prepared to stop the steal.

Trump’s victory was achieved in part by preventing vote fraud.
Harris not only failed to turn out voters, but fake votes were not permitted on such a large scale.


5 posted on 12/19/2024 8:50:38 AM PST by PBRCat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ChronicMA

They never relly existed in the first place... they were manufactured to help the dementia-ridden retard...


6 posted on 12/19/2024 8:51:00 AM PST by Common Sense 101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The urban areas controlled by Democrats are where to look for cheating.

State wide totals obscure the data.

One issue that remains and must be addressed is voter registration rolls in these urban areas.

Nationwide there are probably several million “registered voters” who “live” in vacant urban high-rises and other dilapidated structures.

They vote Democrat.


7 posted on 12/19/2024 8:51:29 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Nowhere, the first 6 million never existed.


8 posted on 12/19/2024 8:51:35 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Black guy upon receiving a MAGA hat: "MURICA!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Check the cemetaries.


9 posted on 12/19/2024 8:51:44 AM PST by eyeamok
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The comparison needs to be done on a county by county and voting district to voting district basis.

For example, compare Montgomery County Pennsylvania for both periods as that is the home county of Gov. Shapiro, king of voter fraud who was a county commissioner there and was on the ballot for Gov.


10 posted on 12/19/2024 8:52:03 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Nowhere, as they never existed to begin with. The difference is that they had plenty of time to create the 6 million votes in 2020. Where as they lacked the time to create them in 2024. In fact, they couldn’t even capture the popular vote, even though California tried, though they were able to steal a few House seats.


11 posted on 12/19/2024 8:52:07 AM PST by Robert DeLong
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Oh come on. They were never there

Most of the votes that got that awful woman close in the Midwest were not there either

We ware not a country full of wackos


12 posted on 12/19/2024 8:53:40 AM PST by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

.


13 posted on 12/19/2024 8:54:55 AM PST by sauropod ("You didn't take a country. You only won a football game!" - Dan Dakich Ne supra crepidam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

they never existed in the first place.


14 posted on 12/19/2024 8:55:10 AM PST by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

California is still counting...hold on a few more months.


15 posted on 12/19/2024 8:55:33 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Time to throw them out of the Temple...again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Common Sense 101

Ditto... Change my mind 😉


16 posted on 12/19/2024 8:56:07 AM PST by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: nobody in particular

please consider the 5 million votes in 2020 didn’t get counted until 3 a.m. in 5 swing states. Surely not a coincidence.


17 posted on 12/19/2024 8:56:17 AM PST by SGCOS (The COVID vaccines and boosters will kill you)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: PBRCat

Winner, winner chicken dinner right on assessment.


18 posted on 12/19/2024 8:57:19 AM PST by databoss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

2024 Aftermath - bump for later....


19 posted on 12/19/2024 8:58:06 AM PST by indthkr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

More like 20 million


20 posted on 12/19/2024 9:00:18 AM PST by Mr. K (no consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-59 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson