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I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT
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Posted on 10/01/2024 8:17:32 AM PDT by MNDude

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1 posted on 10/01/2024 8:17:32 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

There are a million reasons to quit the government schools.

I suppose ChatGPT is one of them.


2 posted on 10/01/2024 8:19:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (My decisions about people are based almost entirely on skin color. I learned this from Democrats.)
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To: MNDude

In my English composition class, you wrote in class. Of course we didn’t have cell phones or AI, but writing under the watchful gaze of the instructor prevented any plagiarism. Home assignments were a different story.


3 posted on 10/01/2024 8:20:19 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: MNDude

“hard to prove”

Please go to the university website and download Keystroke Recorder to the PC you will be typing papers on.


4 posted on 10/01/2024 8:22:57 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Kamala: "understand that some people need more, so we all end up in the same place, right?”)
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To: MNDude
So I quit.

Hmmmm.

5 posted on 10/01/2024 8:23:15 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: MNDude

Why are we continuing to indulge students whose first language is not English? That is a timeworn and outdated excuse in this era! Generations of immigrants from all over the world went through the same challenges and eventually learned and mastered English in the United States and other English speaking countries. It is time we stop lowering expectations and insist on higher standards.


6 posted on 10/01/2024 8:23:52 AM PDT by nwrep
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Quick AI redo -—

This fall marks the first time in nearly 20 years that I’m not returning to the classroom. Throughout my career, I taught writing, literature, and language, primarily to university students. My decision to leave was largely influenced by the rise of large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT.

As historian Lynn Hunt has pointed out, writing is “not the transcription of thoughts already consciously present in [the writer’s] mind.” Instead, writing is a process deeply intertwined with thinking. During my graduate studies, I spent months trying to piece together my dissertation, ultimately realizing that writing was the key to solving the puzzle. Writing is hard work; it can be intimidating. Unfortunately, many of my students were no longer willing to endure that discomfort, drawn instead to the ease of AI.

In my last position, I taught academic writing to doctoral students at a technical college. Many of my graduate students, particularly those studying computer science, were well-versed in the mechanics of generative AI. They recognized its limitations—acknowledging that LLMs can hallucinate, create false citations, and are not reliable for original research. Despite this understanding, many students still relied heavily on generative AI, with some openly admitting to using ChatGPT to draft their articles after outlining their research.

As an experienced educator, I employed best practices in teaching. I structured assignments, explored ways to integrate AI into my lessons, and designed activities to highlight its limitations. I reminded students that ChatGPT can misinterpret text, produce biased information, and often doesn’t generate high-quality writing. Still, they continued to use it.

In one class activity, students wrote a paragraph, revised it with ChatGPT, and compared the output to their original text. However, most students lacked the skills to analyze the nuances of meaning or evaluate style effectively. One PhD student even remarked, “It makes my writing look fancy,” when I pointed out weaknesses in the AI-generated text.

Students also relied heavily on paraphrasing tools like Quillbot. Effective paraphrasing requires a deep understanding of the material, and recent cases of “duplicative language” show that it’s a challenging task. It’s no surprise that many students are tempted by AI-powered paraphrasing tools, which often result in inconsistent writing styles, fail to prevent plagiarism, and allow students to bypass genuine comprehension. Such tools can only be beneficial if students already possess a solid grasp of writing.

Outsourcing their writing to AI deprives students of the chance to engage deeply with their research. Ted Chiang succinctly captures this in his article on art and generative AI: “Using ChatGPT to complete assignments is like bringing a forklift into the weight room; you will never improve your cognitive fitness that way.” The myriad decisions writers make—regarding syntax, vocabulary, and style—are as crucial as the underlying research itself.

While generative AI can serve as a democratizing tool, especially for non-native English speakers whose writing often contains grammatical errors, it can also alter vocabulary and meaning, even when the intent is simply to correct grammar. My students struggled to recognize these subtle shifts. I found it challenging to convey the importance of stylistic consistency and developing their unique voices as research writers.

The issue wasn’t identifying AI-generated text. Each semester, I asked students to write in class, allowing me to establish a baseline for comparison. I could easily distinguish between their writing and that generated by AI. While I was familiar with AI detectors that claim to identify AI-generated content, these tools are often unreliable. AI-assisted writing can be easy to spot but difficult to prove.

Consequently, I spent countless hours grading work I suspected was AI-generated. I pointed out flaws in arguments and noted stylistic quirks typical of ChatGPT, leading me to give more feedback to AI than to my students.

So I decided to quit.

The best educators will need to adapt to the presence of AI, and in many ways, this adaptation can be positive. Teachers should shift away from rote assignments and simple summaries, finding ways to foster critical thinking and help students understand that writing is a tool for generating ideas and clarifying methodologies.

However, these lessons require students to be willing to embrace the discomfort of uncertainty. They need to trust in their cognitive abilities as they write and revise. Unfortunately, with few exceptions, my students were not prepared to venture into that discomfort or stay there long enough to discover the transformative power of writing.


7 posted on 10/01/2024 8:24:54 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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To: MNDude

The students are not sophisticated enough to use AI as a tool. They just use it to cheat. In my day I had to go to the library, read, research, check the footnotes and read those footnote sources too. AI can speed that up too. But just to say “Write me a book report on Huckleberry Finn” is no good. Oh wait I forgot. That book has been “banned”.


8 posted on 10/01/2024 8:27:46 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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I’m not going back to school this fall for the first time in almost 20 years. I have worked as a writing, literature, and language instructor for university students most of my career. A major factor in my decision to quit was the emergence of large language models (LLMs) such as ChatGPT.

Writing is “not the transcription of thoughts already consciously present in [the writer’s] mind,” as historian Lynn Hunt has noted. Rather, writing is a process that is closely related to thought. I struggled to put the thesis together for months during my graduate school before figuring out that composition was the key. Writing is a laborious and sometimes frightening task.


9 posted on 10/01/2024 8:28:03 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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Dear Student:

I think you used an AI program to generate your paper. Please take the device you created your paper on to Dave DiskDriveChecker in the Computer Science Department.


10 posted on 10/01/2024 8:28:08 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Kamala: "understand that some people need more, so we all end up in the same place, right?”)
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To: protoconservative
In my last position, I taught academic writing to doctoral students at a technical college.

Shouldn’t one know how to write before he becomes a doctoral student?

11 posted on 10/01/2024 8:28:08 AM PDT by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump)
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Collegiate systems like Turn It In score papers on a plagiarism score. If AI was creating the paper it would probably score too high to be accepted.


12 posted on 10/01/2024 8:28:18 AM PDT by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: HIDEK6

There are specific things doctoral candidates do when writing papers.


13 posted on 10/01/2024 8:29:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: monkeyshine

Students reading and reading comp is not the problem, it is they are stuck in a world where a computer delivers the commercially acceptable answer for fractions of a penny per inquiry. Always go back to orals where the right students would pass and the wrong students would not.


14 posted on 10/01/2024 8:30:05 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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To: MNDude

Oral exams will be the way to go.


15 posted on 10/01/2024 8:30:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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If I were a teacher I would sit down with the student for 10-15 minutes and ask them questions based on what they wrote, and if they can’t answer the questions, that’s how I would find out they cheated.


16 posted on 10/01/2024 8:32:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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There are specific things doctoral candidates do when writing papers.

Use to be research that was more often than not most expensive in tabulation (computation) , it was certainly not in the past spectrum metadata studies, that AI is sort of the end result of. If there are 1000-1 ratio findings the only paper acceptable follow the 1000. Honestly only give top degrees to people who do new work, with right or wrong conclusions.


17 posted on 10/01/2024 8:33:14 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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I think if I were a teacher or a professor, I would make any writing assignment two-fold. The first step is the actual report itself. Fair enough. And a student might well use ChatGPT to do that part.

Step two, however, is where that will fail them. A week or so later, I would give everyone in the class a test. The test would be three essay question, asking each student to expound upon a particular point in their report, asking very pointed question and expecting very thorough and thoughtful question that could only be answered if the student has a good grasp on the subject material and is able to provide a competent and thoughtful response.

If the student just used ChatGPT to phone in the report, step two would catch them out. If they fail the test in step two, then I know the student doesn't have a clue at all what they're talking about or any grasp of their subject material, and thus will receive zero for the whole thing.

18 posted on 10/01/2024 8:33:16 AM PDT by cross_bearer_02
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Exactly.


19 posted on 10/01/2024 8:34:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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20 posted on 10/01/2024 8:35:44 AM PDT by impimp ( )
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