Gen Z is Quiet Quitting Higher Education for Trade Schools

Legal Insurrection ^ | 9/23/24 | Leslie Eastman

[Dr. Sivana]

LOL...”the underpinnings of Western civilization”. What a load of crap! My aren’t we proud of our degree!

Not particularly. I didn't get to use it as much as I might have liked. It's only undergrad, and doesn't count for much. But yes, SOMEONE is going to have to be able to go toe-to-toe with the "history experts" who push the 1619 Project, and take over the credentials committees that decide WHO can be a doctor or a lawyer, and maybe even a licensed trade.

We need our Donald Trumps, but we also need our Victor David Hansons, Pat Buchanans and Tom Woods.

[Freee-dame]

especially the degrees in the many variations of grievance studies

[PubliusMM]

Truly a sad commentary, SisterK.
Back in the day, we steered our son to the vocational school that was part of our local school district. He had always, since a young child, said he wanted to work on airplanes.
That vocational school offered an aircraft repair program that yielded a structures certification on graduation, and a direct entry into the adult power plant program.
He has been massively successful in his career as a result of that direction when he was just 13 years old.
But, he would have been more challenged had he not spent hours with me in the workshop growing up around tools, tape measures, rulers, saws, chisels, and all that.
I’m not sure that happens, today.
Sad...

[lgjhn23]

“..The “woke” stuff is in thge STEM fields, too....”

Went back to visit my old college awhile back.
Stopped by and visited with the head Dean of Mechanical Engineering Dept.
He told me that undergraduate engineering students are now required to take 18 semester hours of Social Justice Warrior classes. To achieve the equivalent previous undergraduate degree, they’d have go continue on in the Masters program. The Engineering Depts tried to fight it, but were threatened with loosing their accreditation if they did so.
Libs have a way of screwing up every single thing they touch. They’re nothing but despicable POSs.

[OSHA]

Automation is creating a heavy demand for PLC programmers. Not everyone has an aptitude for it. It paid well for me and has me set up for a nice retirement that started 2 weeks ago.

[Bob Wills is still the king]

“Apprenticeship programs are absolute gold.. Pity there ain’t a whole lot more of them to be found..”
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Every branch of the US military has apprenticeship paths for everything from plumbing and electrician to LVN and respiratory therapist.

Those programs are all appropriately certified so you can move into civilian life with a good set of skills.

Too bad so few qualify for the military these days. Too much McDonalds food.

[Qwapisking]

electricians can keep the lights on but if the toilet doesn’t flush you might want to leave them off. just sayin’.

[The Fop]

One does not need a college degree to go toe to toe with these so called experts. They just have to be smart and read a lot.

As for VDH, I’ll give you the shirt off my back if you can show me one example of him ever pointing a finger at the GOP Establishment for anything that’s wrong with the country. And not coincidentally, he thinks Biden won fair and square, and he’s never uttered the phrase “Deep State”.

He walks, writes, quacks and sighs in inert despair, all like controlled opposition.

[The Fop]

It ain’t “liberals” who are responsible for this. It goes up much much higher.

America was at its most prosperous when hardly anyone had a college degree and a lot more people worked for small local family owned businesses.

The people who were telling parents that their kids needed a college degree to be successful 50-60 years ago, are the same people now requiring all this woke stuff at universities.

This is long-term planning, by the wealthy and the powerful, who want to kill the economic independence of small local owned businesses, and destroy the entrepreneurial middle class.

They’ve shepherded multiple generations away from these small family-owned businesses that they used to begin working for straight outta high school, and into college, pointing them in the direction of professional corporate/government careers.

So they become well paid wage slaves, who can live a nice life as long as they don’t say the wrong thing to the wrong person. And then no other corporate/government entity will hire them ever again.

First, they programmed multiple generations to automatically think they have to go to college. And to delay marriage and children, and have fewer children, if any. While also convincing them that religion is a bunch of archaic BS..... All to decrease the chances of them starting up a local family-owned business with their siblings that they can pass on.

Then, once they’ve got them in the college to corporate/government grey cubicle grip, they tighten the noose with the woke stuff.

But hey, if it makes ya feel better to think it’s as simple as those dang Liberals junking up all those great universities, be my guest.

[Dr. Sivana]

One does not need a college degree to go toe to toe with these so called experts. They just have to be smart and read a lot.

Agreed. G.K. Chesterton only went to art school. Charles Dickens had little formal education. George Orwell grew up in prestigious schools, but did not attend college. Shakespeare likely stopped school at 14. For a modern example, we have the great Mark Steyn. All of them were/are really smart and read a lot.

Here is an article by Victor Davis Hanson, where he addresses the Deep State business: https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2019/nov/21/victor-davis-hanson-the-deep-state-at-w/

By the way, it is not the credentialing I appreciate. I took plenty of courses that never led to a degree, but appreciate the content. I also acknowledge certain courses that were a waste of time. "Soviet Domestic Policy", taught by Cynthia Kaplan at U of Chicago was one such. She actually made the statement in class that one of the worst things about the Communist Party was that there weren't enough women in it. The the University's credit, she was denied tenure. On the other hand, the same University featured Ingham and Hellie teaching Russian Civ, and they had the kind of in-depth knowledge you could only get from being able to make it your full-time vocation.

The University system, with its emphasis on the Liberal Arts, goes back to the 11th Century. Forebears of it go to the Ancient Greeks and Socrates, etc. The Founding Fathers were steeped in such instruction. Just because the modern version is 95% corrupted doesn't mean that it is to be shunned. We need the Hillsdales, the Christendoms, the Thomas Aquinas Colleges. Mark Steyn proves you don't HAVE to be credentialed to go toe-to-toe. On the other hand, Mark Steyn can never be a Supreme Court Justice. We need some credentialed people from within in order to get needed reforms, not just in the Courts, but in Medicine, Academia itself, etc.

Not everyone ought to go to College, but saying that no one but STEM majors should go to college is also wrong-headed.

[SisterK]

you did well with your son

the changing culture (by design) seems to smother curiosity, creativity, the desire to produce, to repair, to build

I wonder how many toddlers these days sit in the dirt and engineer little dirt roads for their Tonka trucks, build log cabins out of sticks...Even playing (or encouragement to hang out in the shop like your son) is different now

it is as if it is no longer popular to participate in life

[Joe 6-pack]

"If all conservatives go to STEM andTrade Schools, you are abandoning the court system and the political machinery (the state, not necessarily Deep) to the enemy."

A cursory perusal of the oft-cited, "45 Communist Goals," for the takeover of America quickly reveals the overwhelming majority of their attacks are focused on seizing control of culture through the law, the arts and humanities.

Conservatives have largely ceded this terrain without so much as a fight, and it will be to our nation's peril.

[Reily]

Nothing to stop one from going to law school with a STEM undergraduate degree. I wish more people would do that. The current undergraduate non-STEM BS does a poor job in overall intellectual preparation for law. There’s also nothing to stop one from running for office with a STEM degree. Same reasons as with getting the law degree.

I agree that the undergrad education should be bolstering the foundations of your understanding of Western Civilization. It is no longer doing that! The foundation of WestCiv should have been laid in the K12 education. It didn’t happen!

[lgjhn23]

“..This is long-term planning, by the wealthy and the powerful, who want to kill the economic independence of small local owned businesses, and destroy the entrepreneurial middle class....”

Certainly cannot disagree with ya.
Regardless of whoever or whatever they are, they suck and are America’s enemy.
I was caught up in the very trap that you so aptly described. Came out of college with a Mechanical Engineering degree and $20K in debt working along side apprentices in the construction trades that were making more money and no debt. It was eye-opening. I went and learned a trade (welding), made more money, had more fun doing it and did it till my eyes finally started giving out. I started my own business and did that till I retired. I broke out of that corporate slave scenario, but sure wasn’t easy. Knowing what I know now, I would have to trade school straight out of high school and skipped the “indoctrination” even though it was in the STEM realm. Looking back, I have a few regrets, but on the positive side, the Lord has blessed me in many, many ways through it all.

[Dr. Sivana]

Nothing to stop one from going to law school with a STEM undergraduate degree.

Absolutely. That goes for business, too. The former of CEO, Roberto Goizueta, received his high school education at my alma mater after leaving Cuba, and then went on for a degree in chemistry. I am sure it served him well in running a beverage giant.

These days, with all of the needed suits involving big pharma, and the crazy maze of tech company patents to navigate, STEM training comes in handy.

The current undergraduate non-STEM BS does a poor job in overall intellectual preparation for law.

There are schools that don't do the BS, still, and they are worth seeking out. Hillsdale, Christendom, Grove City, Thomas Aquinas College, come to mind.

The foundation of WestCiv should have been laid in the K12 education. It didn’t happen!

That is probably a bigger problem than what is happening in higher ed. It accelerated with Carter's creation of the Dept. of Ed., which provides 10% to lower ed, but the schools have come to rely on that 10%, and the Feds leverage that into effective control.

Some libertarians have a fantasy of an individual state disengaging from the federal government, eventually allowing for a "soft" divorce. There is not a single state, not Alaska, Wyoming or New Hampshire, that is willing to say noto federal dollars. It is not even on the table. We are ridiculously far from any kind of roll back of fed dominance.

[Reily]

Agree!

[Svartalfiar]

Gen Z is Quiet Quitting Higher Education for Trade Schools

Huh? I thought quiet 'quitting' was just doing the bare minimum for your job, nothing extra. So wouldn't 'quiet quitting' school just mean getting all Cs? And if you're still in school (definition of the term), how does one also attend a trade school at the same time..?

[CFW]

“Huh? I thought quiet ‘quitting’ was just doing the bare minimum for your job, nothing extra. So wouldn’t ‘quiet quitting’ school just mean getting all Cs? And if you’re still in school (definition of the term), how does one also attend a trade school at the same time..?”

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With the media, when a phrase or word becomes popular, they will find every opportunity available to use it, whether it fits the situation or not. It makes the reporter sound trendy.

[CFW]

“Huh? I thought quiet ‘quitting’ was just doing the bare minimum for your job, nothing extra. So wouldn’t ‘quiet quitting’ school just mean getting all Cs? And if you’re still in school (definition of the term), how does one also attend a trade school at the same time..?”

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With the media, when a phrase or word becomes popular, they will find every opportunity available to use it, whether it fits the situation or not. It makes the reporter sound trendy.