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Putin knows he can’t negotiate with the current gang of western bosses. They all lie through their warmongering teeth.
1 posted on 09/17/2024 10:35:34 AM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned

No nuclear war over Ukraine!

Lord have Mercy!


2 posted on 09/17/2024 10:41:30 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: hardspunned

At this point, that can probably only work if Trump demonstrates that he has the deep state and the war wing of the repubs solidly by the throat.
Otherwise, the Russians will think whatever deal they get will last about 2.5 years... then the neocons will resurge.

Personally, I think the neocons and Biden did so much damage to the dollar, that even ending the sanctions, turning SWIFT back on, returning the stolen gold etc won’t restore trust.

It’s truly incalculable the damage they did to America in their Ukraine adventure.


3 posted on 09/17/2024 10:41:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: hardspunned

The Russians will be very wary of a Minsk 2.0 where we desperately want a ceasefire so we can flood Ukraine with weapons and alliances like some kind of NATO-lite. Spend a few years building them up, standing up a huge Air Force etc.

If they think that is the plan, a deal would be tough to get.


4 posted on 09/17/2024 10:44:25 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: hardspunned

President Trump is the only Western National Leader that is Trustworthy.


5 posted on 09/17/2024 10:50:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: hardspunned

It;s not necessary to let Ukraine blow Moscow off the map as Kiev still remains mostly undamaged. But perhaps its time to tell Putin to chose between Ukraine and Cuba and.or Venezuela? Let him know we will liberate both countries unless he gets his troops out of Ukraine in 30 days. It would be his choice. Maybe another tactic would be to move nukes into Romania, Poland and Finland? We have cards to play without blowing up the world.


7 posted on 09/17/2024 11:08:47 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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Putin knows that if he uses nukes he would be dead. This time hr said that the US would be at war with him if they allow Ukraine to use the US weapons in Russia. He hasn’t mentioned nukes this time.

He gets to use Iran, North Korea and Other weapons to blow up hospitals in Ukraine and the west is scared of Putin? Hasn’t anyone noticed that Russia has not been able to capture Ukraine in almost 3 years?

And with their shoddy weapons, what makes anyone think their nukes will make it out of Russia. The people who post here against Ukraine are mostly Russian bots.


10 posted on 09/17/2024 11:55:31 AM PDT by POGO163
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Putin knows he can’t negotiate with the current gang of western bosses.

Yeah, Putin is the good guy here.

They all lie through their warmongering teeth.

Putin never lies. He doesn't seek wars and is always a peaceful man. He has never called for wars or invasions, and he has never killed anyone. He's the second coming of Christ.
16 posted on 09/17/2024 12:58:11 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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In the words of Vladimir Putin, long-range strikes in Russia “will mean that NATO countries — the United States and European countries — are at war with Russia.”

Russia can't beat some small country right next to them, in an almost solely-offensive special military operation. He knows he can't do anything in a real war where Russia will be almost 100% in a defensive posture, so he's not gonna declare war on anyone else. He's not that dumb.

So what's the difference between Western countries letting hit Russia back, and Russia providing Korea or Vietnam all sorts of of AA and other support?
22 posted on 09/17/2024 4:30:56 PM PDT by Svartalfiar (-)
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