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To: nickcarraway
Abortion before Trump was a court mandated and court imposed law of the land. Trump appointees ended that and the battleground for abortion has shifted from courts to state legislatures

I think Trump will be supportive of pro life in these states but will not seek a federal ban on abortion because it is politically undoable

I am dismayed and a bit mystified at how so many Americans have become so zealously pro abortion but that is the reality of the situation

Hopefully that can be remedied at the state level in good time but given the mood in the country we need Trump in office to block a Democrat bill that universally legalizes abortion up to and perhaps even after birth - which is the current Democrat goal

We will be lucky to block the Democrats unlimited , unrestricted abortion proposal ( probably including federal funding of no cost abortions in the name of reproductive health) -there is simply no way to push through a federal ban on abortion in the current political environment

31 posted on 08/23/2024 12:11:21 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: rdcbn1
I am dismayed and a bit mystified at how so many Americans have become so zealously pro-abortion but that is the reality of the situation.

Sixty years ago a sexual revolution swept America, the result of Baby Boomers reaching puberty at the same time. By the late Sixties, American sexual behavior was similar to France or Sweden. It was called the New Morality, but it swiftly became the Mainstream Morality.

Now think of that number: 60. Two generations of Americans accepted the New Morality in which they were free to grant their sexual favors when and to whom they pleased. The Disco era in the Seventies saw young people dancing at clubs, taking someone home and spending the night in sexual bliss – all without strings attached. Sexual freedom, once attained, is a hard thing to give up.

The battle over abortion actually began in the Fifties among married women who were having six or seven children when they only wanted two or three. By the late Sixties, the battle to legalize abortion met up with the New Morality in the states, where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue to the people via referendum. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.

The battle royale was New York state where it had to be fought in the legislature. New York doesn't use the initiative and only uses the referendum for bond issues. This was a knock-down, drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed them into law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how toothless they were when nothing happened.

Had the Supreme Court stayed out of it by refusing to accept Roe v. Wade and punted it back to the Texas courts, it would have initiated a great national debate over abortion similar to the one over civil rights in the Sixties, a genuine knock-down, drag-out brawl. The final result would have been a National Reproductive Rights Act that legalized abortion in some or most cases, but at least it would have come from elected lawmakers responsible to the voters and not men in black robes.

Fifty years ago, the Supreme Court legislated a national right to abortion on demand and without apology by judicial fiat. Now think of that number: 50. Two generations of Americans came to believe they had a constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy at any time and for any reason. Men and women were glad to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom.

Most opposed to abortion fail to understand that abortion itself has become part of the very fabric of American life. For the average American female, there are three rites of passage:

Shocked? Horrified? People conversant with the morality of the 1950s would regard this sexual anarchy as a form of societal madness. But it has become part of the fabric of life. Marriage itself has changed as an institution. The stigma of divorce has vanished insofar as half of all marriages end that way. Multiple marriages during a lifetime are a normal fact of life.

Most arguments against abortion are based on strong religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. Unbelief is also the fastest growing "religion" in America. God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make a religious argument when so many have put religion aside for a secular or so-called “spiritual” approach. Threats of retribution in an afterlife don’t work when so many reject that premise.

To really end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom, erase the 1960s and return to an earlier, traditional frame of morality. That’s a hard sell. Once the sexual freedom cat is out of the bag, as a rule it doesn't want to go back in.

34 posted on 08/23/2024 12:17:40 PM PDT by Publius
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To: rdcbn1

“I am dismayed and a bit mystified at how so many Americans have become so zealously pro abortion but that is the reality of the situation”

“Nearly one in four people in the U.S. with the capacity to become pregnant will have an abortion at some point in their life.”

https://abortiondefensenetwork.org/

Miss Feckless doesn’t always take her birth control bills on time.

Combined oral contraceptives—Also called “the pill,” combined oral contraceptives contain the hormones estrogen and progestin. It is prescribed by a doctor. A pill is taken at the same time each day. If you are older than 35 years and smoke, have a history of blood clots or breast cancer, your doctor may advise you not to take the pill. Typical use failure rate: 7%.

Progestin only pill—Unlike the combined pill, the progestin-only pill (sometimes called the mini-pill) only has one hormone, progestin, instead of both estrogen and progestin. It is prescribed by a doctor. It is taken at the same time each day. It may be a good option for women who can’t take estrogen. Typical use failure rate: 7%.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductive-health/contraception/


36 posted on 08/23/2024 12:25:21 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ("Why didn’t she do it three and a half years ago?”)
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To: rdcbn1

Now that both parties are for abortion, it won’t be so hard for them to get a federal abortion law.


38 posted on 08/23/2024 12:29:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: rdcbn1

I think Trump will be supportive of pro life in these states but will not seek a federal ban on abortion because it is politically undoable.

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Maybe so, but why is Trump supportive of pro-choice positions in pro-choice states?

It’s like saying I’m against abortion, but it’s OK if my neighbor has one.

In fact I’ll even drive her to the Abortion Clinic.


50 posted on 08/23/2024 1:51:15 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Leaving Abortion up to the States is like Leaving Slavery up to the States.)
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