Posted on 08/22/2024 10:26:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 08/22/2024 5:10:49 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
The month of the Kursk Surprise turns out to have all kinds of surprises, including Kyiv's longest-range drone strike against Russia — so far, anyway. A bit less far away in Volgograd (née Stalingrad), a huge oil depot has been blowing up all day. I have video of that and more for you below.
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Funny you should mention that.
SPOT on.
Dang autocorrect
“””””we did invade Mexico in 1916-17. And it went about as well for us as the ‘Special Operation’ appears to be going for Russia.”””””\
We didn’t invade Mexico in 1916 we sent a few men to chase Pancho Villa and we lost 65 men killed doing it, it was nothing like this massive European war Russia launched.
One of those "few men" was George Patton.
We didn’t invade Mexico in 1916 we sent a few men to chase Pancho Villa
If Mexico sent 10,000 uniformed soldiers into the U.S. for a year, we’d consider it an invasion.
All that said, I agree it was nowhere on the scale of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But the current war is not massive (yet!) by historical European standards.
The Russian war is the largest European War since WWII, it is massive, Putin isn’t having 65 men killed while chasing a border crossing bandit and then withdrawing that limited small force months later with little loss of life on either side.
Around 1969 or 70 I knew a man who had been a boy bugler for Pancho Villa.
I’m not belittling the size and scope of the ‘Special Operation’. My original point was that it certainly hasn’t gone the way Putin/Russia thought it would go.
How does this war compare in size/death/destruction with what happened in the former Yugoslavia?
You need to look it up yourself and include it when you bring up something unrelated like that.
Good thinking you dip. You are arguing that a weaker military can’t be subdued in 30 months, so a strong one would be easier?
Stay in your swim lane simpleton.
You need to look it up yourself and include it when you bring up something unrelated like that.
Thing is I remember the coverage of the Yugoslav wars. There were ‘rape camps’ Hundreds of thousands displaced, and I’ve seen no city in Ukraine that has been destroyed as badly as Sarajevo was.
The estimate for total deaths in the Yugoslav Wars is around 150,000, which is maybe 10x greater than the deaths reported in the Russo-Ukraine War.
Again, I’m not downplaying the severity of what is going on and only God knows what it could lead to.
The Russian invasion is much, much larger, and the war dead has probably exceeded 200,000 so far, and perhaps by quite a bit, the destruction is extraordinary of cities, countryside, and of military assets.
Well a stronger power has been totally unable to defeat a weaker one in 30 months. But maybe the weaker power if fighting an unconventional guerilla war could defeat the stronger power. See Afghanistan Feb 15 1989. The Soviet failure was chosen as their ROEs were considerably less restrictive than ours.
I guess we won’t know the true number of deaths until the war is over, if even then. Both sides are prone to lying from what I’ve been able to tell, exaggerating how many they’ve ‘killed’ and minimizing their own losses.
But still, is there a single Ukrainian or Russian city that looks like Sarajevo did?
Do a Google search for ‘Sarajevo during war’ and click on images. Maybe there is, but I haven’t seen any.
We do. We trained about 30-40 Special Forces troops from Mexico here in the US and let them go back.
They looked around, found the situation chaotic and figured with their training and weapons (and willingness to use them) they would start a little group called "Los Zetas".
They are the biggest cartel in Mexico and are disciplined, brutal and ruthless.
The situation in Mexico is a civil war and not just a "drug" war that has continued from the early 1900s. My grandfather fought for about 10 years as a boy till he was 26-27 and after the Civil war and the Cristero war immigrated to this country with the help from the Knights of Columbus.
Mexico is a godless country that is incapable of ruling itself, which means that others will rule it as they always have in Mexico... at the end of the barrel of a weapon and blood. If we thought the Vietnam war was nasty, a Mexican war of occupation by the US would be a blood bath.... on both sides.
Saddest place ever. Amazing natural resources and beauty, a people that will work to the death and be loyal to a patron who provides for the roof over their heads and feeds their family... but a culture of corruption and violence with bloodshed ALWAYS trumping rule of law. I haven't been there since 1982 and will never visit that sh#t hole.
The deaths for this war are much higher than for Yugoslavia, nasty as that little war became. Ukraine figure for daily casualties (probably 80% dead Russians, plus wounded) is now over 600,000. Figures for Ukraine dead are harder to come by, but my guess would be under 200,000. Last summer Russian casualties were listed around 400 daily, but figures rapidly increased in late fall 2023, and since then have ranged between 1,000 and 1,400 most days. This major increase is due to the Russian tactic of ordering “meat waves.” basically forced (Russian soldiers behind to kill those who won’t fight) quantities to attack with inadequate weapons, food, and training. Mostly gathered from central russia and Siberia, with very few “true” Russians from Moscow or St. Petersburg areas where educated people might complain more effectively. Ukraine uses its troops much more efficiently and with more care of adequately trained and better equipped troops. Ukraine use of small attack drones in front line areas and long distance drones attacking Russian infrastructure have been a game changer.
As to damage caused in Yugoslavia versus Ukraine, a major example in Ukraine is Mariupol, a large city (see link below), but others have also been mostly destroyed as well. This link has before and after Google maps with a slide bar so you can sweep across an area to see the specific changes. I looked at other sites which showed large blocks of new apartments built by Russia to try to lure citizens back, with questionable success.
There is a Mexican Education channel, Canal Once, that I get on DirecTV just to listen to Spanish. They had a program listing the 11 worst villains in Mexican history. The majority on the list were presidents, emperors, viceroys, etc. As you say, Mexico with beauty, natural resources and hard working people has been screwed forever.
And then there was the tlaxcallan tribe, neighbors to the Aztecs who were fought with so the aztecs could have captives to sacrifice and eat. Tlaxcalla is the word for tortilla (bread) in Aztec. They were so tired of being eaten they helped the Spanish conquer the Aztecs. Subsequently the Spaniards systematically robbed the poor Tlaxcallans.
This last sentence of information I discovered while researching the motives for selling off underutilized schools in Washington, DC to rich developers. Turned out an important participant in setting up this property grab had done their college thesis on the Spanish robbery of the Tlaxcallans. Since I had studied in Mexico and read two books on the conquest of the Aztecs I was able to identify this chicanery for what it was.
Since I had studied in Mexico and read two books on the conquest of the Aztecs...
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