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America Criminalizes Too Much and Punishes Too Much
Reason ^ | 8/6/2024 | Neil Gorsuch and Janie Nitze

Posted on 08/06/2024 10:51:01 AM PDT by Heartlander

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1 posted on 08/06/2024 10:51:01 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
And we have two-tier "justice".

"Two Tier" Keir in the UK would be proud.

2 posted on 08/06/2024 10:52:34 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: Heartlander

Neil Gorsuch ping!


3 posted on 08/06/2024 10:53:04 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: Heartlander

I tend to agree. Some crimes deserve long sentences. Some crimes might be better off requiring legitimate community services for social rehabilitation.


4 posted on 08/06/2024 10:55:16 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Heartlander
Too many petty offenses used more often than not as cash extraction and too little serious punishment for serious offenses.

Violent criminals should be hanged after the third offense. Murderers and rapists after the first.

5 posted on 08/06/2024 10:55:52 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15

That’s more like it, what you just said in second statement!


6 posted on 08/06/2024 10:58:01 AM PDT by lee martell
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Didn’t the GOP lead the way in prison reform during Trump’s first term?


7 posted on 08/06/2024 10:58:52 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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To: Heartlander

Neil Gorsuch:

Neil Gorsuch, a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, may make Americans to really look at our judicial system to eliminate the B$ on both sides of our legal system.


8 posted on 08/06/2024 11:01:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (“Name 1 thing she had accomplished, as, Pre Czarina, installed by Palace Coup, not by any elections)
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To: Heartlander

I think it was Chuck Colson who said a long time ago that our punishments for violent crime were too weak and our punishments for nonviolent crime were too strong. (It might have been Marvin Olasky, or they might agree with each other.)

The Bible’s punishments in Torah are simple and explicit. Most violent crime was punishable by death. Property crime was punishable by reparation plus 20%. Some other crimes were punishable by exile.

There was no such thing as jail time, because there was no such thing as a jail. The concept of a correctional institution or penitentiary comes from the Quakers, who thought a person, given enough time to think about his crimes, would come to repentance. (Doesn’t work.)


9 posted on 08/06/2024 11:02:04 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Heartlander

Many years ago I was at a talk given by an NRA lawyer. He said that federal gun laws were so complex that almost everyone in the room has broken at least one of them.

The guy I was with snorted. “What an exaggeration!” he said to me. Then the NRA lawyer went down a list of common federal gun crimes.

“I’m a felon,” my friend said to me.


10 posted on 08/06/2024 11:04:57 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Heartlander

This article runs counter to the impression I’ve been receiving in recent years. It seems to me that we are decriminalizing more and more crimes and eliminating or greatly reducing prison time. The only notable exceptions are the treatment of J6 participants and right-to-life demonstrators.


11 posted on 08/06/2024 11:12:42 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Heartlander

“some form of correctional supervision”

Who and what are “correctional” facilities correcting?


12 posted on 08/06/2024 11:13:21 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: chajin

> I think it was Chuck Colson who said a long time ago that our punishments for violent crime were too weak and our punishments for nonviolent crime were too strong. <

It’s a bit of a tough call. A thug threatens a clerk with a pistol, and steals $100 from a convenience store. A top executive types a few things into a computer and embezzles $1,000,000 from his company.

Given that part of punishment is to deter future bad behavior, which person above deserves the longer sentence? I dunno.


13 posted on 08/06/2024 11:14:32 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Heartlander

There are too many violent criminals on the street and too many violent crimes that never get punished. We have practically legalized rape in some cases.


14 posted on 08/06/2024 11:20:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Leaning Right

I have a problem with background checks where one mistake can give you a life sentence when it comes to finding a job or other impediments to going on with your life. Violent criminals and child molestors are the ones to keep records on. After 7 to 10 years without further arrests scrub the records or give then non disclosures. Some states have Clean Slate laws and I think that’s a good thing.


15 posted on 08/06/2024 11:29:01 AM PDT by lone star annie ( )
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To: Heartlander

Our legal system is unjust. People who commit terrible crimes skate off while draconian sentences are mandated for minor acts. Like disturbing an official meeting ... years in prison.


16 posted on 08/06/2024 11:40:44 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Heartlander
George tried to fight, but the legal bills racked up.

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The family struggled with their finances, having used their savings to pay for George's defense.

Government has essentially unlimited funds with which to prosecute its targets. Government extracts those funds from We the People at gunpoint. Meanwhile, with rare exceptions, We the People do not have the means to defend ourselves in court.

17 posted on 08/06/2024 11:47:57 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

This conundrum is entirely rooted in leftit ideology.

Judicial discretion in sentencing was essentially outlawed because too many leftist judges were letting hardened criminals, murderers, drug dealers, etc off lightly and justifying their decision in “he grew up in a racist society and had no choice but to choose crime” nonsense. There was a backlash by clear thinking citizens who demanded minimum sentencing requirements to counter it.

Same leftists demand harsher and harsher sentencing, and making everything a crime, where the targets are ordinary citizens going about their daily lives, such as imprisoning fisherman because they used the wrong packaging for their lobster catch, or praying in front of abortion mills, or posting internet memes the left doesn’t like. The no-discrection in sentencing then made it impossible for a reasonable judge to cater the “sentence” for such ‘crimes’.

Same leftists then decriminalized drug use/sales/public consumption and retail thefts committed to finance the drug users’ habit. See, c.f., San Francisco. Can’t park your car for an hour without it being broken into, or shop without a master key to the locked up items, and shoplifting is legal.

Same leftists free rioters when they burn, loot, and murder and build statues to their drug god but jail nonviolent republican political protesters for years without trial.

So while I agree with Justice G’s lament, the leftist roots have grown into a towering sequioa overshadowing the reasonable administration of justice. It’ll take alot more than passing laws to address it.


18 posted on 08/06/2024 12:15:00 PM PDT by TonyinLA (I don't have sufficient information to formulate a reasoned opinion said no lefty ever.)
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To: Heartlander

Then they impose higher and higher fines and restitution payments against those with no way to pay. Contempt of Court is then charged for non-payment. That uses to be know as debtor’s prison.

If a man or woman is released from jail, thatman or woman must have all of the rights back, especially those related to protection.


19 posted on 08/06/2024 12:19:16 PM PDT by Racketeer
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To: Heartlander

Back when we had the death penalty and used it regularly and swiftly we had a lot less crime.


20 posted on 08/06/2024 12:21:37 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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