Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

$450 Million B-1B Lancer Crash Attributed to Crew Failures and 'Degradation of Airman Skills'
Military.Com ^ | Jul 25, 2024 | Thomas Novelly

Posted on 07/25/2024 10:47:22 PM PDT by Ben Dover

A B-1B Lancer valued at more than $450 million that crashed in South Dakota at the start of this year missed the runway by 100 feet, a mistake accident investigators attributed to the aircrew's shortcomings as well as the poor training culture within units at Ellsworth Air Force Base.

The scathing crash investigation report shared with Military.com pointed to "failure to perform standard crew resource management," along with adverse weather conditions, ineffective flying operations supervision, lack of awareness, and "an unhealthy organizational culture that permitted degradation of airmanship skills" as contributing factors in the Jan. 4 crash.

(Snip)

The report also points out that one crew member who was injured during the ejection was not wearing all the proper flight equipment. And the other injured crew member's weight was reportedly above both the ejection seat's recommended limit of 211 pounds and the Air Force's recommendation of 245 pounds. They weighed in at nearly 260 pounds during medical treatment, which "likely contributed to the severity of the injuries noted from the mishap."

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War
KEYWORDS: b1; b1b; b1bomber; b1lancer; ellsworthafb; southdakota; wokemilitary
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-86 next last
To: Nervous Tick

“If we ever need to go to full-scale war with a major power (think China)... with a military like this... we’re f’ed.”

We won’t be using the B1B. The Lancer is not nuclear capable and is being replaced by the B21 Raider, a stealth nuclear bomber at Elsworth. They were stripped of nuclear in 1992 when SAC was morphed. There are only about 80 Lancers left and I get the feeling they will be changing their mission. And with 3 bays and shorter field capacity, and great manuverability, they may be pulled from direct combat altogether since SAC is gone.

wy69


41 posted on 07/26/2024 4:45:28 AM PDT by whitney69
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Ben Dover

Before getting to the comments section I knew the first replies would be “DEI”, and rightfully so.

The Biden administration has done more to wreck our armed forces than all the other democrat presidents combined. It will be one tremendous job to reverse all of this.

In one reply pronouns were mentioned. This is a little off topic, but I get emails where veterans need transportation to VA med facilities. The email is signed off by a VA employee giving its pronouns. This freak has no idea that’s a major turnoff for many people and with that said the veteran in need of transportation probably won’t get it from a fellow vet that served with pride.


42 posted on 07/26/2024 4:51:17 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not matter how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wita

There was also a NOTAM in effect that increased the visibility from 1/2 mile to 3/4 mile. Visibility was less than 3/4 when they started the approach.


43 posted on 07/26/2024 4:54:00 AM PDT by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Governor Dinwiddie

Re: 3 - except you don’t know that. At all.

Good grief, DEI is apparently good cover for ignorance regarding this specific issue.


44 posted on 07/26/2024 4:59:46 AM PDT by Fury (I )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: whitney69
The Lancer is not nuclear capable...

Nuclear is so last generation. Thermobaric bombs are the "in" thing.

45 posted on 07/26/2024 5:08:23 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: roving
My buddy in the AF was a clerk for our base chaplain and he got booted for overweight.

That was during 'Nam.

46 posted on 07/26/2024 5:09:10 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The yoke of government must be kept light if Freedom is to Prevail.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Fury

“Good grief, DEI is apparently good cover for ignorance regarding this specific issue.”

I’m so tired of hearing it. DEI, DEI, DEI! Squawk!


47 posted on 07/26/2024 5:10:40 AM PDT by dljordan (What would Michael Collins do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Ben Dover

For all the DEI footstompers, try reading the Accident Investigation Board Report:

https://www.afjag.af.mil/Portals/77/4JAN24%20AFGSC%20Ellsworth%20AFB%20AIB%20Report_pdf.pdf

It looks like 2-3 read the report.

Not all ills are due to DEI. Sometimes aircrew members and unit commanders are not as good as they should be. That’s been going on WAY before DEI. Case in point - the 1994 B-52 Class A mishap at Fairchild AFB due a crazy aircrew commander and a climate in that squadron and bomb wing that allowed it to continue.


48 posted on 07/26/2024 5:12:22 AM PDT by Fury (I )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dljordan

Re: 47 - seems it’s often used by the ignorant in lieu of doing a deeper dive into the issue at hand.


49 posted on 07/26/2024 5:13:47 AM PDT by Fury (I )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Ben Dover

Back in 2007 or so while visiting Peterson AFB in Colorado Springs I noticed hundreds of chubby airmen in shorts and t-shirt walking and jogging. Don’t know if they were doing the annual walk or a fat farm exercise, but I noticed they were chubby. Many were well beyond weight standards. This sort of thing has been going on for years.


50 posted on 07/26/2024 5:24:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Semper Vigilantis

[...I had trouble keeping, let alone getting out of, the 140s...]

Me too. But I was picked every single month for the “random” weight check for the fat boys club. The other two of the three chosen were stripping down to their boxers. I didn’t even take off my boots and once as a joke, weighed in with my tool belt still on. I guess I saved a lot of guys and kept the squadron statistics down.


51 posted on 07/26/2024 5:40:11 AM PDT by Farmerbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

I was going to say, “Was this person 7 feet tall?”

I dont think that is a healthy officer’s weight on any physical table anywhere.


52 posted on 07/26/2024 5:42:16 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: pepsionice

How does a 260 pound person even handle the morning run and PT?

I’m sort of joking because I don’t know if the Air Force even bothers with such a start of the day healthy routine.


53 posted on 07/26/2024 6:09:00 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Ben Dover

Whoever write this report may find themselves in a lot of trouble. The DEI crowd aren’t very forgiving and suffer from mental illness....now their enemy.


54 posted on 07/26/2024 6:27:04 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

260-pounds is more than the GBU-39 (SBD).


55 posted on 07/26/2024 6:30:32 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: TwelveOfTwenty

“””””This incompetence seems to be everywhere.”””””

Because affirmative action/DEI ruins the organization, the institutions, the culture, and the nation, and the lack of standards becomes normal for everyone growing up in that modern American world and the people who grew up in it become the leaders and the cycle becomes simply the normal standard which means there are no firm standards anywhere.

We have been at this for 60 years it is who we are now, a people who by law and social pressure insist that we be second rate, to focus on excellence is against the law and most people would recoil at the effort to return to it if they saw it started in practice, which is how we have kept doing it for 60 years so far.


56 posted on 07/26/2024 6:43:49 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

Take a 190 lb man, add the flight helmet O 2 mask, g-suit, emergency gear , and parachute, then 260 lbs is about right.
The problem is lack of training time , due to fiscal constraints.


57 posted on 07/26/2024 6:50:36 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches, and get with what's real.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: redfreedom

I have always thought that ALL employees of the VA should be vets. Case by case exceptions for specialist doctors if no qualified vets can be found.


58 posted on 07/26/2024 7:02:26 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: ansel12

There’s no way that member should have been flying. That’s entirely too much weight, unless, they were 6’5” or taller.


59 posted on 07/26/2024 7:03:49 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Ben Dover
The scathing crash investigation report shared with Military.com pointed to "failure to perform standard crew resource management," along with adverse weather conditions, ineffective flying operations supervision, lack of awareness, and "an unhealthy organizational culture that permitted degradation of airmanship skills" as contributing factors in the Jan. 4 crash.

Sounds like DEI to me.

60 posted on 07/26/2024 7:19:58 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-86 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson