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To: BroJoeK; Pelham; x; DiogenesLamp; Theodore R.
ProgressingAmerica: "Theodore Roosevelt is the person who gave us the FBI via executive order."

That's pure nonsense

In 1907, President Theodore Roosevelt requested the U.S. Congress to create a new law enforcement agency in the Justice Department. When Congress opposed, Roosevelt created the Bureau of Investigation by executive order in 1908.

PDF direct download: (paragraph 1) https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mathieu-Deflem-2/publication/331305857_Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation_FBI/links/5c76e5ae92851c6950466409/Federal-Bureau-of-Investigation-FBI.pdf

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Roosevelt and Bonaparte both were "Progressives." They shared the conviction that efficiency and expertise, not political connections, should determine who could best serve in government. Theodore Roosevelt became President of the United States in 1901; four years later, he appointed Bonaparte to be Attorney General. In 1908, Bonaparte applied that Progressive philosophy to the Department of Justice by creating a corps of Special Agents. It had neither a name nor an officially designated leader other than the Attorney General. Yet, these former detectives and Secret Service men were the forerunners of the FBI.

https://irp.fas.org/agency/doj/fbi/fbi_hist.htm

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......in 1908 President Roosevelt created the Bureau of Investigation by executive order and directed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to develop the agency within the Department of Justice.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/legal-and-political-magazines/federal-bureau-investigation-history

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Moreover, Theodore Roosevelt and several others in his administration favored the expansion of the Secret Service to meet their desire for a comprehensive federal detective agency.

Soon after Roosevelt issued an executive order creating the Bureau in 1908, however, the agency established a secure niche in the federal bureaucracy.

https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/slps14&div=8&id=&page=

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Nobody denies that Theodore Roosevelt created the FBI. Some do later specify that he directed Bonaparte to go do this, go do that, go do the other thing, not that Bonaparte really needed all that much. Progressives see eye to eye on matters of taking a leak on the Constitution.

Most cites simply ignore the role of the executive order. Even more cites gloss over the original name of the FBI, because it such an insignificant trivia fact we might as well memorize how tall the building was and how many bricks they used to build the building.

The important part is that the FBI that harasses Donald Trump was created by President Teddy Roosevelt. It's joke that doesn't make anybody laugh that you trust the FBI's own web page without even going and attempting to look if there have been independent research on the matter. Which there have been. You also didn't take the time to scan the FBI's own pages to see if there were any contradictions there.

"There was no FBI under Teddy Roosevelt. So yes"

Even your own link says Theodore Roosevelt. So no, the FBI is #3 to your pitifully omitted list of two. And there's more than 3 BTW, I just wanted to focus here on this singular one. You also said:

"That first happened under Roosevelt in 1908."

A contradiction. You can't have it both ways not in 1908 and in 1908. This is severe Stalinesque hero worshipping cult of personality nonsense. It's embarrassing to watch you do this to yourself.

57 posted on 07/22/2024 10:00:00 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica; Pelham; x; DiogenesLamp; Theodore R.
ProgressingAmerica quoting: "......in 1908 President Roosevelt created the Bureau of Investigation by executive order and directed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to develop the agency within the Department of Justice."

In this quote and others, you've selected out "facts" which suit your propaganda purposes, while ignoring any which don't.
Here is a summary of facts which matter:

  1. Prior to 1908 the Justice Department used dozens of investigators, many on loan from the Secret Service, others hired off a Secret Service waiting list.

  2. In 1908 Congress (i.e., Tawney, Smith & Fitzgerald) forbade DOJ from using Secret Service investigators but allowed hiring investigators from the Secret Service's waiting list of qualified investigators.
    Congress set July 1, 1908, as the deadline for discontinuing Secret Service investigators in the Justice Department.

  3. After July 1, AG Bonaparte (not Pres. T. Roosevelt) directed all the remaining investigators to one office under his Chief Examiner Finch.

  4. On July 26, AG Bonaparte (not Pres. T. Roosevelt) directed "DOJ attorneys to refer most investigative matters to the Chief Examiner Finch, who would determine if there were special agents under his direction available to investigate the case."

  5. So: there was no "executive order" from Teddy Roosevelt.
    There was no "Bureau of Investigation" under Teddy Roosevelt.

    There was only a minor shuffling of existing offices and a directive from Bonaparte to his DOJ attorney's to request investigators through Chief Examiner Finch.

  6. Everything else came later, beginning in 1909 under Pres. Taft.

62 posted on 07/23/2024 6:41:40 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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