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'A fundamental security failure': How did a gunman open fire on a Trump rally?
NBC News ^ | July 14, 2024 | Jon Schuppe, Janelle Griffith, Rich Schapiro and Dasha Burns

Posted on 07/14/2024 6:26:30 AM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: DoodleBob

It will make you angry to see the video posted (until the FBI takes it down) on theconservativetreehouse.com, and realize the SS/police snipers had already targeted the shooter for several minutes, and then let him get off 4 shots before they decided to take him out.

This should be the biggest story of the year. This is disgusting. No excuses.

Surely the SS were communicating on their radios, and allowed the kill shot on President Trump. They were willing to let the shooter takes shots before they did anything. Their inaction also allowed 3 innocent bystanders to either be killed or injured, in addition to the fact Trump would have been killed had he not turned his head as the bullet was coming towards his head.


101 posted on 07/14/2024 7:33:02 AM PDT by Sir Bangaz Cracka (Poor 'lil Travon bees slamming dat white cracka'a head into dat sidewalk causin he be scared)
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To: DoodleBob

It will make you angry to see the video posted (until the FBI takes it down) on theconservativetreehouse.com, and realize the SS/police snipers had already targeted the shooter for several minutes, and then let him get off 4 shots before they decided to take him out.

This should be the biggest story of the year. This is disgusting. No excuses.

Surely the SS were communicating on their radios, and allowed the kill shot on President Trump. They were willing to let the shooter takes shots before they did anything. Their inaction also allowed 3 innocent bystanders to either be killed or injured, in addition to the fact Trump would have been killed had he not turned his head as the bullet was coming towards his head.


102 posted on 07/14/2024 7:33:02 AM PDT by Sir Bangaz Cracka (Poor 'lil Travon bees slamming dat white cracka'a head into dat sidewalk causin he be scared)
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To: PA Presbyterian

Obviously I don’t know but I’ve been wondering along with you. I think “maybe” this poor guy that killed the assasin “most likely” just couldn’t make up his mind until he saw and heard the shots fired and saw Trump go down.

Or, some DEI type “boss” of his would not give him authority to shoot.


103 posted on 07/14/2024 7:35:13 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: cdcdawg

They probably Check out sites like FR to find out what the right winger are saying
And the add their own spin to it.


104 posted on 07/14/2024 7:36:45 AM PDT by Leep (Leftardism strikes 1 in )
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To: gundog

No kidding. If you don’t totally trust them, give them only short range handguns, pick out 3 for each roof who likely don’t know each other (good golly, how many departments within 60 miles of Butler?), etc.


105 posted on 07/14/2024 7:37:04 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Magnum44

They showed two images of the dweeb shooter. One was his high graduation video, the other was a picture from his looked to be 7th grade annual.


106 posted on 07/14/2024 7:38:22 AM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: WhattheDickens?
There was more than one but there should have been cops on every roof within 3-400 yards.


107 posted on 07/14/2024 7:38:52 AM PDT by Pollard (Will work for high tunnel money!)
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To: Sir Bangaz Cracka

https://www.tmz.com/watch/2024-07-14-071324-shooter-witness-1863897-460/


108 posted on 07/14/2024 7:40:05 AM PDT by vortigern
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To: DoodleBob

Here is some wild speculation.

1) After checking the various rooftops, the SS delegated controlling building/roof access to them to local police. The shooter ran up to Gomer and Wally and said something like, “Deputies, Help, they’re looting the Food King”, and Bob’s your uncle.

2) Whoever was supposed to control the perimeter was in league with the shooter.

One wonders why the SS would not have set up surveillance cameras at all suspect locations, and maybe an overhead drone (drone question was raised by Lazamataz yesterday), feeding a bank of monitors overseen by a responsible person. See guy wth a rifle; radio SS sniper with location and alert the whole team to go into protection mode. Situation over.


109 posted on 07/14/2024 7:40:26 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: DoodleBob

How do you not have somebody on that roof, or at the very least, send someone to that roof IMMEDIATELY when someone is spotted moving around on it? People in the crowd were telling the police and nothing was done. There’s video of somebody in the crowd yelling “he’s got a gun” BEFORE the first shots ring out.

It’s sad that the absolute *best* outcome of this is gross incompetence and the worst hardly bears thinking about.

}:-)4


110 posted on 07/14/2024 7:41:09 AM PDT by Moose4 (Oderint dum metuant. Let them hate, as long as they fear.)
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To: 1FreeAmerican
Trump had turned his head towards the sound of the rifle fire. Had he not done that it would have been a temple shot.

Sorry, but that's impossible, unless the first shot missed. The speed of a bullet from an AR15 or equivalent is ~3000 ft/sec. The speed of sound is 1125 ft/sec.

111 posted on 07/14/2024 7:41:46 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: Fido969
If there was a guy on a roof, the Secret Service should have held Trump back before he went to speak. There is no excuse for this.

I thought a witness said somebody, probably the shooter, climbed up to the roof shortly before shooting (after Trump was at the podium?). If that is true, still no excuse for what happened. Will the Secret Service update their procedures now? Does the SS use something like ISO9001?

112 posted on 07/14/2024 7:43:21 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: batazoid

“There’s something fishy about this assignation attempt on Pres. Trump’s life. “

The real question is how a 20 year old kid outsmarted law enforcement that is supposedly the cream of the crop. Since mammals that could be called “men” have existed, the “high ground” has been the obvious place to occupy in a war. And if you can’t occupy it, at least be able to closely observe it.

The explanation on “too many shots” is simple, having to do with the speed of sound and human reaction time. By the time the SWAT guy heard the shot (and present rules of engagement being what they are, he had to know that the gun had been fired before he could fire), add in his own processing/reaction time, and there’s at least a second right there.

How does this saying go - never blame malice for something more easily explained by incompetence/stupidity. But still…?


113 posted on 07/14/2024 7:44:43 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, it is near the end of the day.)
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To: DoodleBob
“The police are down there running around on the ground."

Why the heck were a couple of them not stationed on the roof?

I lean much more toward incompetence than conspiracy, but this is pretty incredible incompetence. It is typical of this Administration, though.

114 posted on 07/14/2024 7:45:14 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Sir Bangaz Cracka

“Surely the SS were communicating on their radios, and allowed the kill shot on President Trump.”

Agreed—there were probably at least three SS folks in on it—communications is the key in any operation—and the conspirators planned accordingly.


115 posted on 07/14/2024 7:45:18 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: sjmjax

[It happened because Deep State powers wanted it to happen.]

Bottom line...yeah.


116 posted on 07/14/2024 7:46:20 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: Z28.310

Good points about roof access to a manufacturing plant. Why wasn’t it locked?


117 posted on 07/14/2024 7:47:14 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: DoodleBob

The number of agents on-site would be determined by higher ups, not the agent in charge at the scene. The agent in charge at the scene would have to work with what he was given. We know Trump requested more security, but was turned down.

There are pics of two Secret Service agents on a roof with sniper rifles. If those two snipers were all that were available to work the rooftops, then there was no way to cover the venue out to reasonable perimeter. There probably should have been 2 or 3 times the number of agents assigned to a big venue like that.

The bureaucrats will try to blame the agent in charge at the scene, but the fault lies in D.C. where there was no concern with protecting Trump.


118 posted on 07/14/2024 7:47:42 AM PDT by Roadrunner383
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To: Paul R.

I have no doubt the SS is totally incompetent—but that just makes it easier for the Deep State to knock off somebody guarded by them.

Blast from the past: Seconds after shots were fired in Dealey Plaza in 1963 witnesses ran up the grassy knoll to the top of the hill. They had heard shots whizzing past their ears and heads and ran towards the shooter or shooters.

At the top of the knoll they were greeted by men in suits carrying and displaying Secret Service badges. “We have got this. This is a secure area.”

Punchline: There were no real Secret Service agents at the top of the grassy knoll.

The Deep State plays dirty.


119 posted on 07/14/2024 7:49:16 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: batazoid

Oswald was taken out with one shot. The deep state always silences the Patsy.


120 posted on 07/14/2024 7:50:15 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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