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Polish president: No Ukrainian territory can be ceded to Russia as price for peace deal
The Washington Times ^ | July 9, 2024 | Ben Wolfgang and Guy Taylor

Posted on 07/09/2024 4:25:10 PM PDT by McGruff

The president of Poland on Tuesday sharply rejected any cease-fire deal for the Ukraine war that would require Kyiv to cede territory to Moscow — drawing a clear line in the sand at a moment when China, fellow NATO ally Hungary and some leading American politicians are growing louder in their calls for a rapid negotiated end to the conflict.

Polish President Andrzej Duda, whose nation is the most powerful NATO member state bordering Ukraine, stood firm on the issue in a wide-ranging exclusive interview with The Washington Times, just as a key summit of NATO leaders got underway in Washington.

Ukraine should be “admitted as soon as possible” to the transatlantic alliance, said Mr. Duda

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: European Union; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: buwahahaha; elgnomomaximus; eussr; fourthreich; killkillkillforpeace; landlandlandforpeace; mic; poland; ukraine; welfarewar
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To: BobL

” they can hit ANYWHERE in the world”

No, they do not have infinite range, unless you are talking strategic weapons designed to hit fixed targets. And they can’t be used at all, those tactical systems, unless they have real time data, like from drones in Ukraine.

As for “acts of war”, these are whatever one side decides they are. Hitler held US “lend lease” to be an act of war, when eventually it suited him. Putin could decide on war tomorrow, or could have in March 2022, or any time in between and pointed to anything at all as a casus belli. There is no great arbiter in the sky that says X means war.


81 posted on 07/09/2024 6:05:54 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“No, they do not have infinite range, unless you are talking strategic weapons designed to hit fixed targets. And they can’t be used at all, those tactical systems, unless they have real time data, like from drones in Ukraine.”

I think you’re being silly now and just trolling us again:
1. A carrier is a fixed target if you know where it will be at a given time.
2. Russia has SATELLITES. LOL.

Thanks for the laugh, maybe you can fool others with your trolling. Get some sleep there, it’s getting really late.


82 posted on 07/09/2024 6:08:50 PM PDT by BobL
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To: dforest

“Polish leftist”? “New”? Duda?

I suggest a bit of research before you sound silly.


83 posted on 07/09/2024 6:09:43 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

Satellites aren’t real time, unless you have a LOT of satellites.

You have to wait until the next satellite is over the target area. In the meantime your US task force is moving at 25-30 knots. And your supposed ICBM/”hypersonic” weapon is 1-5 hours out, without effective terminal guidance.

That’s why Russia uses real time recon drones over Ukraine, to give fixed coordinates to Iskander missiles, a few minutes out from their targets.


84 posted on 07/09/2024 6:17:41 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“without effective terminal guidance.”

Since I don’t have DESIGN KNOWLEDGE, I cannot draw that conclusion, and I doubt you can too.

Nice try, though!


85 posted on 07/09/2024 6:21:29 PM PDT by BobL
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To: everyone

Russia is making another real peace proposal — President Putin

Conditions for a peaceful resolution:

- A neutral, non-aligned, demilitarized, and denazified Ukraine

- Rights and freedoms of Russian-speaking citizens

- The new Russian territories must be recognized

June 14, 2024

Seems we have an impasse.


86 posted on 07/09/2024 6:41:02 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: BobL; buwaya
As it turns out, buwaya is correct.

When traveling at hypersonic speeds, the missile cannot see or hear because of the plasma bubble surrounding the missile.

That is the challenge of hypersonic speeds.

Also, to date, no country has demonstrated the ability to hit a moving target with a hypersonic missile.

87 posted on 07/09/2024 6:55:42 PM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: Brian Griffin
Russia can make fertilizers and explosives.

Read the report, which you, true to FR tradition, obviously didn't.

88 posted on 07/09/2024 7:20:30 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: FtrPilot

Well, we’ll likely find out what the Russians can do, if we keep this crap up.

Glad Russia doesn’t have any subs, though!


89 posted on 07/09/2024 7:21:09 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
Link please.

Right there in my post #38.

90 posted on 07/09/2024 7:24:02 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: McGruff

Another, “To the last Ukrainian “ sort. He and Lindsay Graham will get along.
Keep fighting, the grift is just too sweet to quit.


91 posted on 07/09/2024 7:26:42 PM PDT by OldHarbor
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“Jack works closely with the British military”

Sorry, I meant a CREDIBLE link, not a link from the side of the war that has been WRONG at virtually every point of the war.


92 posted on 07/09/2024 7:28:18 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Reverend Wright
There reality is that Russia weapons output just keeps getting bigger ahd bigger.

Because the West isn't stopping the smuggling. READ THE REPORT AT THE LINK.

And that ammo plant in Texas bought German ROBOTS built in Turkey, not machine tools. Although it is true that our machine tool industry crumbled in the '70s and '80s. I was there on the '90s and '00s I helped GM and Ford build several new engine lines. The machine tools were German, as was the process control equipment I helped install. As are the machines Russia is importing through various black market channels. READ THE BLOODY REPORT. It won't kill you.

93 posted on 07/09/2024 7:37:58 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: BobL
....I meant a CREDIBLE link.....

The deepest form of ignorance is in rejecting something you know nothing about. READ THE G.D. REPORT. It might depress you to learn how wrong you have been all this time, but you will survive.

94 posted on 07/09/2024 7:44:03 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

” READ THE G.D. REPORT. “

Virtually EVERY Government-funded UK and US report on the Russians have been DEAD WRONG, which is their right. And if that was it, fine, but now there are HUGE NUMBERS of dead Ukrainians because people in Western governments did read those reports and they actually BELIEVED THEM.

By the way, how’s that Ukrainian “Greatest Counter-Offensive Operation Ever”, started a year ago, going? Didn’t those government-funded ‘institutes’ say that Ukraine would punch through Russian lines and thereby lead to driving the Russians out of Ukraine? LOL!

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-26-2023


95 posted on 07/09/2024 8:02:30 PM PDT by BobL
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To: buwaya
The “west” can easily intercept all shipping from Russian ports. Nearly the entire Russian oil trade goes by sea.

A lot of the key components the Russians are getting from the West ship via UPS (well DHL if they're still delivering to Russia). They are bought and handed along through chains of front companies all over the world. I wouldn't doubt that some of it even goes via diplomatic courier, being small enough to fit in a briefcase. The report on Page 16 mentions servo-motors made by HiTech in the Philippines. Same servos I used to use in large scale RC model airplanes. My own briefcase would easily hold 20 in their commercial packaging. (HiTech doesn't knowingly sell to Russia anymore, to their credit.)

96 posted on 07/09/2024 8:04:00 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: BobL

So you still won’t read it. Denial is river in Egypt, as the saying goes.


97 posted on 07/09/2024 8:05:56 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

The oil export embargo is meant to reduce Russian revenues, the supply side.


98 posted on 07/09/2024 8:13:56 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“So you still won’t read it. Denial is river in Egypt, as the saying goes.”

If the Neocons didn’t read that crap there likely never would been a Ukraine War.


99 posted on 07/09/2024 8:13:56 PM PDT by BobL
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To: POGO163

—> My first reaction when I first saw all these lying Russian bots

Sure n00b


100 posted on 07/09/2024 8:16:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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