Posted on 06/23/2024 10:32:25 AM PDT by shadowlands1960
- Russia says US is responsible for strike on Crimea.
- Ukraine struck Crimea with U.S.-supplied ATACMS.
- Russia says U.S. personnel input flight coordinates.
- Russia says at least three people killed, 124 injured.
MOSCOW, June 23 (Reuters) - Russia said on Sunday that the United States was responsible for a Ukrainian attack on the Russian-annexed Crimean peninsula with five U.S.-supplied missiles that killed at least five people including three children and injured 124 more. The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air. The ministry said U.S. specialists had set the missiles' flight coordinates on the basis of information from U.S. spy satellites, meaning Washington was directly responsible. "Responsibility for the deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol is borne above all by Washington, which supplied these weapons to Ukraine, and by the Kyiv regime, from whose territory this strike was carried out," the ministry said.
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see #140.. applies to Georgia also...
Ukraine was enjoying its freedom until Putin tried to overthrow its government.
Obama overthrew the government of Ukraine in 2014.
Ukraine was enjoying its freedom until Putin tried to overthrow its government.
If that were really happening we’d have a whole lot more video out of this war... they’d be segments of it on the news nightly. We had more camera coverage of Vietnam than this war.
I lived most of my life in the US, and my first career was in your aerospace industry - I was a metrology engineer for many defense contractors. I had to change careers due to the “peace dividend”.
Most US spending post 1991 was not oriented towards Russia. It was “terror” and now its China.
US infrastructure is crumbling not because you dont spend money, which you do, more than anyone, but because you have accumulated a vast collection of leeches to suck it up before it ever gets to buying a bulldozer. And this I know really well. Ask me about headcount breakdown on gas pipeline work. And why its so.
Lets see, what was that $1.2 Trillion “Infrastructure” bill of 2021 all about? Nobody seems to bother looking into it.
And this was all because Ukrainians were happy to welcome Russian overlords? Whatever. Read Pipes.
Just two weeks to flatten the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
There, fixed it.
There is a vast amount of video out there, on this war. This just isnt something US broadcast media finds terribly important.
First post of yours where we are mostly in agreement... except you seem to think that NATO doesn’t likewise have a sponge-like bureaucracy suctioning up wealth like a vacuum and wanting more of it. It’s not just NATO for me however... I’m opposed to all Wilsonian style organizations.. including that vampire the EU... the useless UN... I want people to ‘come back home and concentrate on their local community... I’d prefer to see all utopian organizations through the rear-view mirror.
Tell Putin, that it was not the USA that attacked Crimea, it was “little green men” that attacked Russian held Crimea and to go pound sand.
He understands the concept of deniability.
Not of civilians being bombed.. mostly of soldiers getting droned...
There is a vast amount of video out there, on this war. This just isnt something US broadcast media finds terribly important.
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Show me one large engagement in this war......tons of casualties being thrown around on both sides, but every video I’ve witnessed is rock music, proving grounds material, out in a field in the middle of nowhere, with less than 20 men involved.
The propaganda in this war is beyond obnoxious.
All governments have bureaucracies. From experience though, the US regulatory, legal, statutory, political (including both lobbyists and ngos) structure is vastly worse than most of Europe. Europe does government better.
German “green” bs outdoes you, but on the whole Euro government systems deliver much more bang for the buck. Have a look at per capita medical expenditures, for a big one.
The Euro problem is tha THEIR regulatory regimes suppress private investment, relative to the US.
There are videos out there showing fields carpeted with dead bodies. You will have to look for Telegram channels carrying this stuff, or there are pay sites, some hosted by Youtubers that post this.
On the other hand, this is a highly dispersed battlefield. Infantry attacks in masses are quite rare.
When you have a dictator for life and he is getting ready to celebrate the 25th anniversary of running the country, then when he starts a major war, it is his doing.
“””””We had more camera coverage of Vietnam than this war.”””””
of course we did, we were at war, now we aren’t.
“””””NATO was unnecessary in 1999 and it’s unnecessary now. The notion that Poland is in danger of some kind of new Frederick the Great style partition is ludicrous... Finland has burned Russian fingertips so many times I seriously doubt Russia has any ambitions there. We need to stop living in the nightmares of our ancestors and learn to live in the word we have now.”””””
Finland obviously sees all that differently than you, as did another neutral nation, Sweden, as so obviously does Poland and the Balkans, even Switzerland is concerned enough about Russia that they are talking about joining NATO, the organization that you consider out dated but that so many European nations who know Russia best and are watching it now, are clinging to for hope and protection.
Yeah right.. who wouldn’t want Yankee bucks picking up the tab for their ‘defense’? Rhetorical question, no need to answer...
“ US infrastructure is crumbling not because you dont spend money, which you do, more than anyone, but because you have accumulated a vast collection of leeches to suck it up before it ever gets to buying a bulldozer.”
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Can’t argue with that. And, sadly, it may be even worse than you think and it’s pervasive across much of America’s economy.
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