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To: ScottfromNJ

nice alternative history, Russia took Crimeia way before any talk of NATO expansion.

Sorry, but Trump is wrong about this.

Putin just wants to reassemble the old soviet union, and is using NATO as an excuse.


22 posted on 06/21/2024 8:48:19 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“nice alternative history, Russia took Crimeia way before any talk of NATO expansion.”

The Gaslighting is getting old here, especially when it is OUTRIGHT LIES.


24 posted on 06/21/2024 8:55:32 PM PDT by BobL
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Russia took Crimeia way before any talk of NATO expansion.

Sorry, but you are way wrong. Look it up. This event you speak of happened when? Right. 2014.

Then see my link in post 9. The NATO expansion - The NATO Agression as I like to call it - began in 1991.

27 posted on 06/21/2024 8:59:32 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"Russia attacked Ukraine because of NATO expansion" is a pathetic joke of an argument. If Russia truly feared NATO, the last thing it would have done was antagonize NATO by invading Ukraine. Russia felt free to invade Ukraine precisely because it didn't fear NATO.

And what was there to fear? The strongest economic powers in Europe were in the process of letting their militaries atrophy into almost nothing. No honest person with half a brain thought that NATO was getting ready to invade Russia. Furthermore, as everybody including Putin knows, Russia's nuclear arsenal meant that NATO would never invade Russia anyway.

The highly predictable truth was that it was only Russia's invasion of Ukraine that reinvigorated NATO. Putin was willing to risk that not because of some bogus fear of NATO, but because he wanted to grab Ukrainian territory and knew that he would lose his chance to do so if Ukraine joined NATO.

The level of dishonesty of those here who argue the opposite is staggering. Or I suppose just plain stupidity is always a possibility as well.

49 posted on 06/21/2024 10:17:52 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: TexasFreeper2009

nice alternative history, Crimea was Russia long before a Ukraine nation.


58 posted on 06/21/2024 11:35:57 PM PDT by A strike (no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Not true. Talk of ATO expansion into Ukraine began in 2008


60 posted on 06/22/2024 1:20:39 AM PDT by phil00071
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