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Why The Left Hates It When You Point Out We’re ‘A Republic, Not A Democracy’
The Federalist ^ | 06/17/24 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 06/17/2024 8:46:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

For as long as I can remember, the left has been sneering at anyone who points out that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. They find the notion almost as unsophisticated and fascistic as flying a revolutionary-era flag.

Even some people I admire dismiss the democracy/republic debate as a semantic distraction. They shouldn’t.

The other day, CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan tried to make Trump fans who repeat this factual contention look like a bunch of dumb, lockstepping authoritarians. To explain the problem, CNN even recruited “democracy” expert Anne Applebaum, who noted that, “America is a democracy. It was founded as a democracy … the word ‘democracy’ and the word ‘republic’ have often been used interchangeably. There isn’t a meaningful difference between them …”

Sure there is.

Ask the contemporary leftists who target virtually every protection we have against mob rule in the name of “democracy” — attacking the Supreme Court, the Electoral College, federalism, the filibuster, the Senate, and even the existence of states. They understand the difference, even if just intuitively.

Ask leftists who treat the “popular vote,” not as a wishcasting cope, but as means of legitimizing presidential elections. Those who want a few big states ruling the nation via a direct federal democracy are not interested in an American “republic.”

Blunting the federal government’s power over states and the state’s power over individuals is an indispensable way to ensure a diverse people in a huge nation can govern themselves and live freely. The “save democracy” types who refer to these long-standing federalist institutions as “minority rule” do not view “democracy” and a constitutional republic as interchangeable concepts.

Neither do smaller blue-state governors who sign a national vote compact that not only dilutes their state’s power but circumvents the Constitution. They love a direct democracy. A constitutional republic? Not so much.

When writers at The Atlantic, where Applebaum is a contributor, talk about “The Democrats’ Last Chance to Save Democracy,” they aren’t lamenting Biden’s unprecedented executive abuse, but the “democratic deficits in the Senate and the Electoral College” — as if these institutions weren’t specifically instituted to diffuse centralized control. They know the difference.

Democrats who want to “expand” the Supreme Court for failing to follow democratic trends, don’t care about the “republic.” After all, many of the high court’s most historic decisions, including Dred Scott and Plessy, cut the legs out from under “democracy.”

Or take the so-called moderate Democrats who want to get rid of the filibuster or use the slimmest of fleeting majorities to shove through massive, generational federal “reforms” without any national consensus — Obamacare or The Deficit Reduction Act [sic]. They’re aware that “reforms” will overturn hundreds of state and local laws. They want local minorities subordinate to the whims and vagaries of national majorities.

Then again, the more “democracy” we have, the more demagoguery thrives. Of course they’re fans.

As it turns out, according to CNN a number of Trump supporters also understand the distinction even if they are unable to articulate it in poli-scientific terms. 

Then again, if O’Sullivan wants to dunk on them, maybe he should take a civics refresher himself.  “There is, of course, a legitimate debate to be had on what form of democracy we have here in the United States — direct democracy, representative democracy, in fact, constitutional republic, which you heard people mentioned in that piece, that is a form of democracy,” the CNN host explained.

There is, “of course,” zero “legitimate debate discussion” to be had over whether we are a “direct democracy.” Not today, nor ever. “Democracy” isn’t even mentioned anywhere in any founding document, much less a direct one. None of the framers entertained any notions about majoritarianism or federal power that would even loosely comport the ones now embraced by the left.

People will often tell me that, sure, we might be a republic, but we also have “democratic institutions.” Of course we do. We also have numerous nondemocratic institutions. The Bill of Rights, for instance, is largely concerned with protecting individuals from state and the mob. The insistence that we only use “democracy” is meant to corrode the importance and acceptance of those countermajoritarian rules and traditions.

“[F]or centuries,” insists O’Sullivan (italics mine), “America has celebrated its democracy,” before playing clips of Ronald Reagan and others praising the notion of “democracy.”

Indeed, the word “democracy” — from “demos,” the people — has been used as a shorthand for self-rule since before Pericles. In the past, we’ve used it to convey respect for a set of liberal ideas about liberties and rights, as well as self-determination. I’m sure I’ve used it in that way, too. Most Americans probably comprehend the notion of “democracy” in the same, vague context.

These days, though, a bunch of illiberal progressives (and others) have taken universal notions that once fell under the umbrella of “democracy” and cynically distorted them to champion a hypermajoritarian outlook.  It’s no accident the people who demand you call us a “democracy” also champion the idea that 50.1 percent of the country should be empowered to lord over the economic, religious, cultural, and political decisions of 49.9 percent.

It’s the point. 


David Harsanyi is a senior editor at The Federalist, a nationally syndicated columnist, a Happy Warrior columnist at National Review, and author of five books—the most recent, Eurotrash: Why America Must Reject the Failed Ideas of a Dying Continent.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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To: nickcarraway
A republic IS a form of democracy.

This!

Anyways, it's a moot point. We haven't been a republic since Lincoln.

21 posted on 06/17/2024 9:36:04 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: nickcarraway
Re: "Can you provide a citation for the quote?"

According to Comment #2, it is Woodrow Wilson, "Socialism and Democracy," 1887

22 posted on 06/17/2024 9:37:45 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Olog-hai
You’re the one who made the assertion about “republic” and “democracy” being identical.

I very much did not say they were identical! Do you speak English? Go back and read my post with native English speaker.

23 posted on 06/17/2024 9:39:14 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai

If I said a square is a type of rectangle, you would claim I said a square is identical to a rectangle?


24 posted on 06/17/2024 9:40:45 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The C. S. Lewis quote in post #7 refers to the fact that the word “Democracy” has many meanings, thus making it a convenient word for demons to use to manipulate average people.

This is why the Left prefer to use the word “Democracy.”


25 posted on 06/17/2024 9:42:40 PM PDT by cockroach_magoo (No one is above the law, but some are more above the law than others.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The reason they hate the concept of a republic is a true republic of states as was in the constitution as written has many limits on the power of the central federal government. The Constitution as written is really a document limiting the power of the Federal Government and giving privileges to the Federal Government only those written in the Constitution. It also says all other rights belong to the individual states!

All Marxists, Fascists, Warlords, and Dictators want an all powerful central government that controls everything.

26 posted on 06/17/2024 9:44:31 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: nickcarraway

To say “a republic is a form of democracy” is to say they are identical. It is not logically possible for democracy to have multiple forms; therefore, a republic is not a form of democracy.


27 posted on 06/17/2024 9:45:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

What language do you speak? A square is a type of rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares.


28 posted on 06/17/2024 9:46:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Red herring, particularly about your own statement.

No need to rack up any more logical fallacies.


29 posted on 06/17/2024 9:46:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
It is not logically possible for democracy to have multiple forms

That is a patently ridiculous claim, with no backing. Do you want me to find ESL in your area?

30 posted on 06/17/2024 9:47:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Drew68

No, not “this”.

I’ve noticed that leftists not only like to equate republics with democracies, but they are also down on Lincoln.


31 posted on 06/17/2024 9:48:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
No need to rack up any more logical fallacies.

No, you have racked up enough for one night. Time to get back to the group home.

32 posted on 06/17/2024 9:48:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai
It is not logically possible for democracy to have multiple forms

There are innumerable types of democracy.

33 posted on 06/17/2024 9:50:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Argumentum and lapidem and ad hominem now. Guess you couldn’t resist.

Just to put your red herring back in the ocean, republics and democracies are not comparable to geometric shapes of any kind. And claiming that "a republic is a form of democracy" therefore is like saying "a republic is a form of socialist government".
34 posted on 06/17/2024 9:51:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SeekAndFind
The reason they hate the concept of a republic is a true republic of states as was in the constitution as written has many limits on the power of the central federal government. The Constitution as written is really a document limiting the power of the Federal Government and giving privileges to the Federal Government only those written in the Constitution. It also says all other rights belong to the individual states!

All Marxists, Fascists, Warlords, and Dictators want an all powerful central government that controls everything.

35 posted on 06/17/2024 9:51:44 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: nickcarraway

LOL! Then democracy cannot be defined. Proof by assertion again.

You have a nice evening.


36 posted on 06/17/2024 9:52:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: rlmorel

I’m not sure why an Oligarchy disguised as a Republic is any better than an Oligarchy disguised as a Democracy... but whatever.


37 posted on 06/17/2024 9:53:13 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Olog-hai

🔝🔝🔝


38 posted on 06/17/2024 9:58:51 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: nickcarraway

No, they are NOT synonymous. We are a Constitutional Republic with some democratic institutions.


39 posted on 06/17/2024 9:59:38 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

That’s right.


40 posted on 06/17/2024 10:04:30 PM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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