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Once and for all put an end to the myth that Ukraine could have come to some good agreement with Putin early in the invasion in 2022.

Former Polish Secretary of State Jakub Kumoch, who was there, stated "Russia did not want peace, only the capitulation of Ukraine."

Russians demanded "the recognition of the annexation of Crimea, the so-called independence of the eastern regions of Ukraine, the reduction of the size of the Ukrainian army, bilingualism, the ban on joining NATO, perpetual neutrality, etc. There were also purely demeaning elements, such as a commitment to denazification or the introduction of the Great Patriotic War, as the Russians call their contribution to World War II."

1 posted on 06/17/2024 3:03:51 AM PDT by tlozo
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There are no benefits to Russia taking Ukraine. It means they will have to police a state which will fight back through the shadows. If Trump wins, this is over within a week. A simple, “we are going to drill and undercut your energy industry, bankrupting you” will be enough to get them to the table.

Zelensky will have to give up a lot of Deep State people.


2 posted on 06/17/2024 3:23:58 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The media has one job and even with Constitutional protections they cannot do it.)
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Natural resources are one of the important factors of Russian military aggression, which often remains unattended. Forbes estimated the cost of minerals in Ukraine at $ 14.8 trillion.

At the same time, more than 70% of the total amount falls on only three regions - Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk and Luhansk. In the total value of minerals, 62% is provided by coal, 14% is iron ore, each of the other assets is less than 5%. The total volume of minerals is 111 billion tons.

Ukraine has been estimated to possess natural gas reserves of over 670 billions cubic meters (in 2022), and in 2018 was ranked 26th among countries with proved reserves of natural gas. Its total gas reserves have been estimated at 1.870 trillion cubic meters.

5 posted on 06/17/2024 3:55:29 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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Russia did not want peace, only the capitulation of Ukraine.

Well, duh.

37 posted on 06/17/2024 7:40:41 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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Pure propaganda.


55 posted on 06/17/2024 2:26:23 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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RT @RT_com

⚡️ Russia is making another real peace proposal today — President Putin

Conditions for a peaceful resolution:

- A neutral, non-aligned, demilitarized, and denazified Ukraine

- Rights and freedoms of Russian-speaking citizens

- The new Russian territories must be recognized

6:42 AM · Jun 14, 2024

In the end this will be the solution like it or not.


56 posted on 06/17/2024 2:31:37 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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84 posted on 06/18/2024 6:28:48 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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