The direct issue of the vice presidential pick of Donald Trump is a fun topic often discussed, because it can easily engage everyone.Posted on 06/11/2024 11:08:14 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
ICTHEMATRIX – […] “Related to the topic of discerning alignment via a question, I would like to sincerely ask you your thoughts on a very real possibility:
What are we to make of President Trump’s possible choice of Marco Rubio as his VP?
In many columns and pages, you have chronicled the multiple failure points of Senator Rubio…his service within the corrupted Intelligence committee, and his non-MAGA compromises. I fear this could become another massive moment of fatally poor judgement.”
The direct issue of the vice presidential pick of Donald Trump is a fun topic often discussed, because it can easily engage everyone.
The issue of Rubio, or ‘fill_in_the_blank‘, is not really that important to me; and before your jaw opens, I’ll explain why.
My personal preference is Dr. Ben Carson, for all the reasons I have previously mentioned {GO DEEP}. In this election, GOOD is going head-to-head against EVIL.
When I say GOOD -vs- EVIL, let me give context. These are the stakes.
Given the nature of potential nuclear weapon use, three simultaneous global conflicts (likely 4 with Taiwan), a looming World War III, hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of slaughtered people, the likely elimination of the dollar as the global reserve currency for around half the world, a dollar-based central bank digital currency created by the United States Treasury if Biden wins, the catastrophic consequences in the lives of ordinary Americans, and essentially the end of projected USA power and the economic security that goes with it, there may not be a familiar tomorrow if the election goes the wrong way. With that in mind, the lowest possible consideration in my mind is 2028.
Next up, put this thinking cream into your coffee as we sip through the thought processes.
They crossed the Rubicon in 2020 with 51 high ranking Gov Intel members purposefully and specifically lying to the public. Does everyone realize the scale of that, and what it meant when they took that position on such an openly visible lie right to our faces, using our highest-ranking government intelligence members? They don’t exactly come back from that; it was an all-in position…. and they did it. What does that stuff in 2020 tell you about 2024?
What they will do, based on what they have already done, is the stuff we should be thinking about.
Look at what they have done.
This doesn’t even touch on the forced vaccination and COVID madness where people literally stood outside of buildings while their husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, grandparents and children died alone, ALONE, because government people – the type who torture beagles for a living – said that isolation was what we needed to do…. because that was part of the predicate for manipulating an election.
Lawfare? Heck, that’s the least dangerous poison arrow in their death to the republic quiver.
That’s the 2024 context.
So back to the VP possibility and Marco Rubio.
I don’t have any idea who President Donald Trump will select. However, I can see him liking Senator Rubio, because Rubio is articulate, clean, relatively young, bilingual, has a family, is polite and well mannered, is cultured, is seemingly not in trouble, and he gives a good impression when he walks into the room and engages the guests. Rubio outwardly checks boxes that make him appear like a safe legacy consideration.
The downside is that Rubio is a manipulative liar, untrustworthy, speaks with forked tongue, fulfills the role of Brutus, or the “scorpion” perfectly, and seemingly has done stuff early on in his life that may have created the origination compromise. Beyond all that, the cherry on the corruption cake is his relationship with the Intelligence Community. Any SSCI Vice-Chair who can sit with SSCI Chairman Mark Warner as a “friend across the aisle,” can never, not for a single moment, be trusted. It’s just the reality of it.
That said, I genuinely don’t care who Trump selects as vice president. I have my preference (Carson), but I’m situationally ambivalent to the issue, because I view my preference for Trump’s mission as something totally different than most.
WE THE PEOPLE need to take back the power from our government. I want President Trump to operate every lever from the limited office of the presidency to give us the tools to take back that power. WE need to be the vice president, and WE need to be the force in 2028 that determines how the deconstruction of our oppression continues.
President Donald J. Trump is our weapon, our wrecking ball to start this MAGA process. We the People are the entities who need to support Trump, while keeping him fueled and fearless as he does it. Depending on how much deconstruction demolition Trump is able to achieve, the next phase of operational leadership will need a different skillset.
Last point – I don’t believe that President Donald Trump has “massively failed” at anything. I’m not going to backbite, judge or criticize the man in the arena, because he wears a different sandal or chooses a different weapon to fight the enemy. Look around, he’s all alone.
Go back to what I wrote in July, 2015, about Donald Trump. “Why I Support Donald Trump“… Long before anyone thought he had a chance, I explained the reason I would support him in 2015. [Part 2]
I said in 2015, if Donald Trump showed up to the August Fox debate in five-inch heels, a Carmen Miranda hat and started twerking the podium of Jeb Bush, I would vote for him even harder. …. Because Trump was the only one different than the set of characters organized to help Jeb.
President Trump isn’t the cause of the GOP problems; President Trump is the result of the GOP problems. President Trump is our weapon. From that perspective, there is no alternative. And yes, he is the ONLY alternative. Whether he makes mistakes or not is a moot point against the reality of him being the only alternative to a completely corrupt system. Think about it.
There are quite enough high-horse riders and keyboard warriors who do not understand the DC system criticizing Trump. They don’t need my help. I cheer our glorious bastard every day, because every ounce of his thinking and effort comes from a place of good intention. I do not doubt this fallible, flawed and simultaneously decent, strong, purposeful and resilient man.
Beyond 2024, Good is going to have to battle Evil, and at the same time our nation will need stability, optimism and a resurgence of faith. In short, no one is winning this political war without putting God, righteousness and prayer at the forefront, as the DC tables are overturned.
When it gets ugly, and it will get extremely ugly, something just inherently tells me, we will need Ben Carson.
Why not SOMEONE outside of the stinking swamp we NEED a business person to pick up the reins from Trump in 4 years, a stinking PIT BULL, we have to get OUTSIDE the government box if we are going to turn this country back to being a constitutional republic!!
Rubio will solidify the Hispanic vote which is needed in Florida, Texas, and Nevada not to mention others.
Getting elected is the primary goal.
In my opinion a white female or male VP will not swing votes. A white male is on top of the ticket and the female vote is based on emotional issues not gender.
A black male VP may influence the black male vote that is disgruntled with fake Biden. And Tim Scott would fit that Role
Hispanics do tend to self identify more than other groups and so a Hispanic VP could move those numbers a bit.
Rubio would be safe to a plus move for Trump. The Republican establishment would welcome it which brings along money and influence.
Vivek is not ready to be President IMO, sorry, but he would move some of the younger vote.
If President Trump wants an ally who will not stab him in the back and may swing a bit of the vote then Ben Carson would fit the bill.
In my opinion all the other choices would just wash out before it is all over.
RUBIO is a stinking RINO, NOT NO BUT HELL NO!! We do NOT need Rubio to secure ANY VOTER!!
My hope is that he is just thought to check the Hispanic box for Trump’s list.
“Both Rubio and Vivek are anchor babies”
Their parents were legally in the USA and not flouting its laws.
I agree with the part about leaving behind a successor, but Blackburn is a pit bull (from what I've seen of her on TV) and she was a small business owner before entering Congress.
She's a woman, so she will be compared to Kamala Harris as to how a competent woman acts.
She holds all of the conservative positions, too.
But she's 72 years old, and that's a problem.
-PJ
Not as Trump or Rep King (Iowa) defined it. The fact that Vivek's parents were here legally when he was born doesn't change the fact that his birth was to non-citizen parents (at the time).
King’s legislation would restrict automatic citizenship at birth to those with at least one parent who is a citizen, permanent resident, or active duty military member. King’s bill reflects concerns that unauthorized immigrants — and, in some cases, pregnant tourists — come to the U.S. to give birth so that their children will be U.S. citizens.
This is how many of us FReepers have interpreted the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause, which IMHO is an amendment to Article 2's Section 1's NBC clause for President to make sure that's interpreted correctly as the founding fathers intended.
See comment #27 where I explain it yet again, with more details.
As cited, the Constitution as correctly applied by the Supreme Court says he is an NBC.
That should take precedent over your personal opinion.
isn’t Rubio just under the height requirement for this ride?
Neither Vivek nor Rubio are Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural-born Citizens of the United States. As Republicans, we can’t turn our backs on the provisions of the Constitution when it becomes inconvenient.
“Why not Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee?”
I read the Wikipedia articles on the female US senators and she seemed to be the best choice from the US Senate.
However, the Republicans can’t risk losing even one House or Senate seat. Remember Sessions and the loss of the Alabama Senate seat.
Perhaps a highly articulate Hispanic Republican female from a swing state legislature? I’d start a search in Texas.
I wanted Byron Daniels because I believed this had been litigated or could be handled acceptably.
Not so.
Another big league lawsuit for President Trump.
Please, no.
Summary on Vivek’s status as a natural born citizen (NBC):
NBC is a legal issue. Vivek Ramaswamy was born on August 8, 1985 in Cincinnati, Ohio to parents who were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens. The U.S. Supreme Court (SC) has ruled that someone who is born on U.S. soil is an NBC if at the time of his birth, his parents were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens. Therefore, according to the mandatory legal authority of sound constitutionally-based SC ruling and precedent, Vivek is an NBC.
Detailed argument
Since around 1900, (SC) rulings have become less and less valid because SC has gradually moved away from basing their decisions on the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended. But their ruling on NBC appear to be based on sound application of the Constitution.
In Perkins v. Elg, 99 F. 2d 408, Court of Appeals, Dist. of Columbia Circuit 1938, the Court of Appeals noted as part of the basis for their decision that...
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S. Ct. 456, 42 L. Ed. 890, 1898 [found that] [W]hen the Constitution was adopted the people of the United States were the citizens of the several States for whom and for whose posterity the government was established. Each of them was a citizen of the United States at the adoption of the Constitution, and all free persons thereafter born within one of the several States became by birth citizens of the State and of the United States.
It appears the Supreme Court in Elg (1939) agrees with Ark (1898).
(Both Marie Elizabeth Elg and Wong Kim Ark were born on U.S. soil to parents who were here legally but not U.S. citizens.)
Again, the Constitution is properly applied as written and ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD and intended. What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was. The Supreme Court decisions based on the good-faith and sound finding of original understanding of NBC in the Constitution is, therefore, legal precedent concerning NBC. Thus, Vivek should be considered an NBC.
Some argue that the term “NBC” is not specifically used in Ark or Elg, but these cases revolve around citizenship based on birth on U.S. soil, which is exactly what NBC is. An NBC is a citizen automatically because he was born on U.S. soil. He is “naturally” and automatically a citizen needing no further processing to become a U.S. citizen. He becomes a citizen under “natural” (birth) circumstances, exactly as Elg, Ark, and now Vivek.
THIS: Rubio is another McCain.
I agree, which is why I'm surprised at seeing Rubio on the list. But, as long as Rubio was being floated I figured why not Blackburn, too?
I'm NOT surprised if the LAAP-dog media plays up the Rubio pick.
At least both picks are safe replacements. Still, Rubio from Florida puts Florida's 29 Electoral College votes at risk for the VP. Picking Rubio might lead to a split Trump/Harris administration if the election is close unless Trump can establish a residency somewhere else (but I think he really wants Mar-a-Lago to be his home).
That would be an avoidable "own goal" unless Trump picks someone else not from Florida.
-PJ
Bingham said on the floor of the Senate during the debate on Amendment XIV that every baby born in the USA “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” except those born to diplomats or tribal Indians was to be a US citizen.
Those babies whose mothers are flouting US law or court date or are committing asylum fraud really are equally as unqualified as renegade Indians and US statutory law should take that into account.
I’m pretty sure your argument would be allowed by the Supreme Court with respect to Kamala Harris.
However, the ‘rat legal teams are unceasing in their tireless efforts to win control of the US government.
I must warn you, don’t write four $35,000 checks to a lawyer and claim the payments as legal expenses in the State of New York.
Pundits don’t seem to be able to wait for President Trump’s decision before passing judgment on how bad it is.
Instead, they make wild guesses or pretend to have inside information.
It reminds me of religious people arguing about the particulars of what happens after we die.
Let’s just back up a little and remind ourselves we have no idea who he’s going to pick.
The term 'anchor babies' refers to the children of illegal aliens or nonimmigrant kids born in the US while their parents are here studying or on vacation..
It has nothing to do with children born to legal permanent resident aliens. They're already admitted for life and in no need of any anchor.
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