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Four-Four-Four: Based on Judge Merchan's Instructions, It will only take four jurors to convict Trump
Hotair ^ | 05/30/2024 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 05/30/2024 7:37:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: gitmo

The instructions refer to three other offenses: violation of the the Federal Election Campaign Act, falsification of other business records, or violation of tax laws. Not “some unnamed violation of the law.”.


41 posted on 05/30/2024 8:46:18 AM PDT by Coronal
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To: SeekAndFind

I am so disappointed in congress.. Impotent!!!!
DEFEND OUR PRESIDENT!!!

And all he@@ is gonna happen if they take Trump in.


42 posted on 05/30/2024 8:48:29 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie ( )
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To: Yo-Yo; SeekAndFind

The prosecutor and the judge both knew from the beginning that any conviction would be overturned on appeal.

The entire trial was about keeping Trump off the campaign trail and if all went well giving him a political black eye.

That is why the obtuse jury instructions.

The judge wants to have a criminal conviction on the record for Trump during the campaign.

Even when the conviction is overturned Trump will forever have conviction on his record as Nancy would and will say.

If Trump is convicted the judge and prosecutor will have hit it out of the park even when the conviction is overturned. Anything less is a win. They have already won from their perspective


43 posted on 05/30/2024 8:50:05 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Coronal

But Merchan considers it unanimous as long as each juror thinks that at least one of the 3 underlying crimes was intended to be covered up.


44 posted on 05/30/2024 8:55:38 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to get to where this is heading, quickly.

After securing a pledge to not allow extradition from Gov DeSantis, Trump should get in his plane and fly back to Florida, under the protection of FL LEO and militia.

Then file an emergency appeal to SCOTUS for deprivation of civil rights under the US Constitution, by way of conspiracy.

Gov DeSantis should then order all able-bodied men into the Florida militia, and set the stage to bring all this BS to a screeching stop.


45 posted on 05/30/2024 8:57:32 AM PDT by Salvavida
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They’re convicting him of different things.

Clearly a Violation of the sixth amendment.

SCOTUS rulings say the Jury must be unanimous on the crime committed.

NY supported the Landmark SCOTUS case that applies.


46 posted on 05/30/2024 9:02:09 AM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: Coronal

Which flies in the face of SCOTUS rulings on State & Federal Trials.


47 posted on 05/30/2024 9:04:05 AM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: dfwgator
>>“Find me the man, and I’ll find the crime.” <<

Merchan would embarrass Lavrentiy Beria. At least Beria would find a crime.
48 posted on 05/30/2024 9:05:05 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: OakOak

The SCOTUS case I believe you’re referencing is Richardson v. United States.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/526/813/

It involved the federal Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute. It doesn’t apply to state law.


49 posted on 05/30/2024 9:17:03 AM PDT by Coronal
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To: Red Badger

this whole trial just makes the point that the judge and DA are not qualified for their jobs.
This trial in and of itself is proof that they should at least be removed. Criminal charges should be brought against them.


50 posted on 05/30/2024 9:20:19 AM PDT by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bragg (slime ball) insists the payments were an illegal payment for the Trump campaign. Thus, he should have used campaign funds instead of his own money. If he did this it would be a clear violation of campaign laws, that is using campaign money for personal use. The FEC would have fined him just as they did Hillary Clinton. In addition this would be a federal matter and not a state matter.

Trump has the financial ability to fight this in court. The average citizen stands no chance in a federal court that has unlimited funds with which to litigate.


51 posted on 05/30/2024 9:23:47 AM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: Coronal

Ramos vs Louisiana


52 posted on 05/30/2024 9:50:36 AM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: Coronal

The Judge violated the law at least four different ways.

One example:

“to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor”

He was prohibited from calling witnesses in his favor regarding Election and Campaign Finance Law.

Violation of the Constitution


53 posted on 05/30/2024 9:58:53 AM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: Coronal
“Your verdict, on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous; that is, each and every juror must agree to it.”

How does “each and every juror” equal four?

Because they never stated an defined crime that had been committed.

54 posted on 05/30/2024 10:41:49 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: heartwood
All Trump did was to sign some checks to pay his lawyer. If any records were listed falsely it was the fault of Cohen or Weisselberg, but they are not on trial.

I don't think it was ever proven that Trump was aware of the Stormy Daniels extortion scheme until after the election. Cohen tried to use a 96-second phone call as evidence but that turned out to be about something else.

Merchan, by allowing Stormy Daniels' irrelevant testimony, has millions of people believing that Trump had an affair with her, for which there is absolutely no evidence (beyond her allegation), some of which will refuse to vote for him because they think he is a bad man because of the affair.

55 posted on 05/30/2024 11:31:52 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

I thought Trump was a bad man back in the early 80s when he was crowing in the tabloids about his affairs and his wealth.

Doesn’t mean he’s guilty of this charged conspiracy to intend to commit something or the other.

There has been the most astonishing collusion of state and news media to take him down.

I don’t like many things about Trump. That does not begin to compare to the corruption involved in the anti-Trump movement. Rule of law, honest intelligence, honest reporting mean nothing to the people trying to stop him. They have become what they claim they are fighting: tyrants, corrupting tyrants.


56 posted on 05/30/2024 11:41:51 AM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: heartwood

I was aware of who Donald Trump was but didn’t pay much attention to him before 2015 and never watched his TV shows. So I wasn’t aware that he had crowed about his affairs. It wouldn’t surprise me because he does tend to brag, and most people with his wealth have lots of opportunities to have affairs.


57 posted on 05/30/2024 12:02:50 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: higgmeister

So if for each of the 3 alleged underlying crimes the jury votes 8-4 that Trump was not guilty, but the 4 naysayers on each were different then the corrupt Judge says Trump is guilty.


58 posted on 05/30/2024 12:53:00 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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To: SeekAndFind

The underlying crime of which Trump is guilty is that of being Trump. A Bill of Attainder.


59 posted on 05/30/2024 12:57:33 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
So if for each of the 3 alleged underlying crimes the jury votes 8-4 that Trump was not guilty, but the 4 naysayers on each were different then the corrupt Judge says Trump is guilty.

Something like that.   But also knowing that the statute of limitations long passed for the misdemeanors that they are trying to turn into one felony conviction by linking any one of them into a conspiracy that never happened.   The judge said the imaginary conspiracy didn't have to ever have occurred.   President Trump contemplating it in his mind was enough to convict him of a felony.

60 posted on 05/30/2024 1:12:59 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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