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To: SJackson

In fairness, they were referred to as Democratic-Republican societies, not to be confused with the Democratic-Republican party of the same name. The Whig Party emerging from the “Republican” side. The Democrat Party emerged from the left over stub of the Democratic-Republican Party under Jackson. That said, todays Democrats, particularly the far left which the Democrat Party embraces looks a lot like what the author refers to as the Democratic societies. Lawless and amoral.


3 posted on 05/24/2024 5:37:50 AM PDT by SJackson (There is only one thing worse than fighting with allies, and that is fighting without them Churchill)
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To: SJackson

The Democrat Party emerged from the left over stub of the Democratic-Republican Party under Jackson.

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not according to the HISTORY

the article just revealed.

nice weasel spin though...typical


11 posted on 05/24/2024 7:07:14 AM PDT by cuz1961
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To: SJackson

The Democratic- Republicans, and the Democrats were the small government working class party. The Federalists and Whigs were the big government party.


14 posted on 05/24/2024 8:34:01 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: SJackson; x; ProgressingAmerica; USA-FRANCE; cowboyusa; DiogenesLamp; jmacusa; laplata; ...
SJackson: "In fairness, they were referred to as Democratic-Republican societies, not to be confused with the Democratic-Republican party of the same name.
The Whig Party emerging from the “Republican” side.
The Democrat Party emerged from the left over stub of the Democratic-Republican Party under Jackson."

This is one of my favorite subjects and the author here -- Daniel Greenfield -- is singing my song!
Yes, the roots of the Democrat Party go all the way back to almost Day One of our 1787 Constitutional republic.
That's because:

  1. Jeffersonian Democrats were, first and foremost, anti-Federalists, named as such by those "Federalists" who supported ratification of their new Constitution in 1788.
    Of course, to a man, 1788 anti-Federalists were not French style social revolutionaries, but Jefferson himself was:
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    It is its natural manure...
    ...god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion...
    what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms."

    Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith on November 13, 1787 -- in reference to the 1786-7 Shay's Rebellion in Massachusetts
  2. Unlike Founders Washington, Adams, Hamilton and Madison -- who responded to Shay's Rebellion in 1786 with a new Constitution to replace the ineffective Old Articles of Confederation -- Jefferson thought the French Revolution was a good idea and did not endorse the proposed new US Constitution in 1788.

  3. After ratification in 1788 and Washington's election as President, Jefferson created the Anti-Administration Faction (1790), which, when joined by James Madison and others became Jeffersonian republicans (1792).

  4. "Republican" was Jefferson's term for himself, but Federalists like Washington & Hamilton noticed Jefferson's fondness for the French Revolution's "democrats" and so Federalists labeled Jefferson's party "Democratic Republicans", the "Democratic" referring to the French Revolution.

  5. Jeffersonians had no problem with the term "Democratic Republicans" and rather quickly dropped the "republican" part -- just calling themselves the "Democratic Party".
cowboyusa #14: "The Democratic- Republicans, and the Democrats were the small government working class party.
The Federalists and Whigs were the big government party."

SJackson #23: "But the idea that the Democrat Party, defender of slavery, is was an extension of the ideals of the French Revolution, rabid abolitionists banning slavery the same year as the Whiskey Rebellion, is absurd.
There are similarities between the two nihilist movements today, not in the early 19th century."

Not to belabor the obvious, but Thomas Jefferson was a... ah... "complicated" man, arguably the greatest genius to ever occupy the office of President.
He could and did hold to seemingly contradictory views, on slavery, for example.

However, in all fairness, what Jefferson's defenders might call "complicated", less sympathetic observers might just as accurately call "lying out of both sides of his mouth".

I am much more sympathetic, however we can still notice that:

Pres. Jefferson's Gallitin Plan for Internal Improvements:

  1. While Jefferson's Democratic-Republicans claimed to be small government and strict-construction when they were out of power, after winning control of Federal government in the 1800 election, they soon enough did everything they'd accused the Old Federalists of wanting, and much more.

    Democrats double-standard began with Jefferson.

    In that they were identical to today's Democrats who insist that Republicans follow constitutional law to the letter, but just define whatever Democrats themselves want to do as "constitutional".

  2. Yes, Jefferson's Democratics were a "working class party", who championed extending voting privileges to every man who was "free, white and 21".
    As such, Jefferson's alliance with Big City immigrant bosses (i.e., NYC's Tammany Hall) is how he defeated John Adams in the 1800 election -- and how Democrats kept their majorities until 1861, and since 1932, to today.

    However, "free, white and 21" now excluded many who could previously vote, notably property owners who were women or freed-blacks.
    How "democratic" was that?

  3. Finally, in all of American history there were no more aristocratic presidents than Democratic Republicans -- Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and John Quincy Adams.
Yes, Democratic Andrew Jackson is a much different story, but still, as our French friends and allies like to say:
“plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”

28 posted on 05/26/2024 12:23:22 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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