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To: Red6

Sure! just listen to some of the Russians talk or post on Telegram, and they say they are losing people at a far higher rate than UKR. Moscow’s official statistic of casualties some months back was over 400,000

GeneralSVR(reserve)
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Saturday, March 23, 2024, in the morning report to the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev, irretrievable military operational losses of personnel of the Russian Armed Forces - 434,233 people. Data as of 6:00 Moscow time today.

Casualties are reported in Russia often and they are not made up, but rather understated - as no one wants to tell Putin how bad things are (reported on many Russian telegram channels).


219 posted on 06/05/2024 8:43:46 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
Isn't it weird that a Russian social media site allows for contradicting points of view, i.e. they don't delete the posts nor close down the account?

Have you noticed, that terms like free speech (still used a little), government transparency (disappeared), watchdog media (disappeared) and freedom of expression (disappeared) have fallen away from our vocabulary?

Try doing a FOIA today, it's a joke.

(regards the link) I do not know who this guy is or where he is from truthfully. It's just some dude posting things.

I provided a link for what our government assumed as being the ground truth and they base that on empirical data provided by the Ukrainians most likely.

BDA and casualties are tracked by all sides, but today these numbers are fudged for the public because these can change attitudes and perceptions of success and failure, the public's support for the war, if the Administration is perceived as having failed or succeeded.

Our government flat out lies, and they do it constantly, our MSM lies all the time. When our government is caught lying, it's never deemed mis/dis information, propaganda, and there are never any consequences for those who lied. We do this for a lot of things, but in every case, there are still people in government that have the real numbers, because these matter. They tell you something, and drive course of action development, and other future decision making. Would you want your oncologist to use made up numbers in his decision making? Would you want the person managing your invenstments using made up numbers in his decision making? Give me an example of where you would want anyone using made up numbers to make desicions on anything which may impact you? Why would people use made up numbers or believe them? It makes them feel good and they want to believe this. That's also why things like a Nigerian Scam work to this day? Millions of people have been defrauded using this scam, it's been all over the news, but it still works. People want to believe.

These were the real numbers that our government used: https://www.newsweek.com/2023/05/05/read-leaked-secret-intelligence-documents-ukraine-vladimir-putin-1794656.html#slideshow/2222852 (flip through the slides). And these numbers were substantially less than what our MSM was presenting to the public as the truth, repeating relentlessly, and had pundits talking about (a lie repeated enough)...

The Russians went in and had some problems. I won't speculate as to the cause (for another post), but that's a fact. They were also on the offense which is generally more casualty intense. In the meantime you've had Ukrainian counter offensives and had the Russians clean up their act. The true numbers today are anyones guess because we're just fed horse $hit. However, I suspect, that the ratio in casulaties has actually tightneded (become more narrow), not broadened.

But, if this makes you feel better, go for it: https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ (of course, no mention of Ukrainian casualties).

224 posted on 06/05/2024 10:08:24 PM PDT by Red6
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