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WHY YOU CAN'T BE AN IRAN HAWK AND A RUSSIA DOVE
Institute for the Study of War ^

Posted on 05/19/2024 2:46:10 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

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To: USA-FRANCE

"The Institute For Grifting On War"

Vicky Nuland can EABODADIAF, froggie.
61 posted on 05/19/2024 5:39:06 PM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Nothing contradictory in noting Russia is evil AND that Russia is likely to win no matter what we do.”

If we engaged with US troops and air power and fought a real war, the war would be over quickly. The Russian logistic line to Ukraine is very long and can only exist if no serious power is attacking it. OTOH, if we were to fight a real war, would go nuclear rather quickly as soon as we took out Russia’s logistics. So I would be hesitant to say Russia is likely to win no matter what we do.

But we would be fighting a desperately weak but fully nuclear power and the attack on logistics would be seen as existential for the current regime in Russia. I don’t like where that goes.


62 posted on 05/19/2024 5:39:50 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

When are you going to post memes mocking the Kremlin Neocon warmongering and 4-ever war machine instead?

The Moscow deep-state seems obsessed cultivating wars everywhere and annexing other peoples stuff. The never-ending war-frenzy you support has no future.

The Russian people are trying to flee Neo-soviet Russia whenever possible.
1,5 million Russians managed to flee their country in the nick of time when the war started. They did great !

I support the Russian people and the Ukrainian people.

Why don’t you at the very least support the Russian people? Why support the rich Moscow deep state apparatchiks (at the expense of the Russian people?


63 posted on 05/19/2024 5:40:39 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

“Without France. No USA.”

That’s an overstatement. Without France, Cornwallis would not have had to surrender when he did the way he did. But the French did not drive him into Yorktown. The French kept him from escaping. But even had Cornwallis been able to escape Yorktown by sea, it was a huge defeat for the Brits.

The war would have gone on. But the colonies may well have outlasted the Brits in what followed.


64 posted on 05/19/2024 5:46:18 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: USA-FRANCE
Without the USA there would be no Europe. So, we have repaid what France did in the revolutionary war, and then some. Weak argument, and my statement remains unchanged.

After WWII, President Charles de Gaulle was anything but grateful for our role in WWII. So, like I said our repayment to France is ancient history now.

As a French descent to this nation, I would never consider myself anything other than an American, and a proud one at that.

So, I repeat, take your BS elsewhere.

65 posted on 05/19/2024 5:46:46 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: USA-FRANCE
"A Russian victory is an Iranian victory. Moscow and Tehran have formed a military bloc with the aim of defeating the United States and its allies . . . "

Sorry, war monger - we don't have a dog in this hunt. As Tucker Carlson pointed out, the globalists in the West who are pushing this war are a greater threat to OUR freedoms than Putin. And that's no defense of Putin.
66 posted on 05/19/2024 5:53:37 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: USA-FRANCE
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No, your thread's title isn't any more deserving of attention that anybody else's.

67 posted on 05/19/2024 5:54:15 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: USA-FRANCE

Why is China not on your list?


68 posted on 05/19/2024 5:55:26 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: USA-FRANCE
"There would be no 1776 without massive French intervention for America."

And, of course, absolutely nothing has changed in the past 250 years. /s
69 posted on 05/19/2024 5:58:37 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Robert DeLong
Without the USA there would be no Europe.

Quite possibly true. Russia's Red Army might well have rolled right to the Atlantic, as Stalin intended.

Just after the WW2 Tehran Conference, Stalin said to a journalist, (roughly translated):"It's high time the Slavic race was in charge of Europe." He meant it literally. American power stopped him. The turning point might have been Berlin Airlift.

Putin is resurrecting all the worst of the Soviet era evil-doers, including even Felix Dzerzhinsky. Moscow's intention of subsuming all of Europe to Russian hegemony survives to this day.

70 posted on 05/19/2024 6:06:57 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Steve_Seattle
As Tucker Carlson pointed out,

Tucker Carlson also believes in flying saucers full of extraterrestrial aliens.

71 posted on 05/19/2024 6:10:35 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: USA-FRANCE

your MI6/CIA source sux
caused hundreds of thousands of deaths


72 posted on 05/19/2024 6:10:57 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: Steve_Seattle

“Why is China not on your list?”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

I do include China most of the times on our common enemies lists I post here.
China is indeed part of the “outer circle” of the Russian Alliance, because they are so far not yet shipping weapons to Russia. They are 100% politically allied to Russia though and are shipping vital components to the Russian industry, violating sanctions.

In my previous comment I omitted China, because I was concentrating on Russia’s “inner circle” of co-belligerent countries - the direct military collaborators of Russia: IRAN, North Korea, Belarus. All communist and/or Islamic dystopian nations... They are causing great harm to TWO of Americas allies: Israel and Ukraine - and they are a common threat to Europe, American and Western interests in general.


73 posted on 05/19/2024 6:12:54 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“Putin is resurrecting all the worst of the Soviet era evil-doers, including even Felix Dzerzhinsky. Moscow’s intention of subsuming all of Europe to Russian hegemony survives to this day. “

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well said.
Even Churchill could not have said it any better!


74 posted on 05/19/2024 6:20:05 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Paal Gulli

Well as you see by opening the link, they posted it full caps. Right?
Nothing I can do about it.

Check for yourself :
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/why-you-cant-be-iran-hawk-and-russia-dove


75 posted on 05/19/2024 6:25:44 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

ping to read later


76 posted on 05/19/2024 6:28:05 PM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
So, you claim. Bur Russia helped save Europe from another European country that wanted to do the same. Bad people exist in every country, and we have a bunch of bad people controlling this country right now.

Tell me why Putin didn't go further after his intrusion into Georgia at the behest of the Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, at that time in 2008 to quell what was claimed to be an attempt of insurrection?

You keep insisting that Putin has all of these nefarious designs on Europe without producing scintilla of evidence to support that claim. But the reality is that Putin has his hands full in Ukraine. Ukraine is running out of manpower which will ultimately be the real cause of Ukraine's downfall.

77 posted on 05/19/2024 6:32:51 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

All you have to do is read Putin’s guidestars, Aleksandr Dugin and Ivan Ilych. Or read speeches of his military leadership. But you won’t because it would destroy your preconceived ideas about the world.


78 posted on 05/19/2024 6:47:31 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: AndyJackson

“We picked Russia as an enemy...”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Excuse me?
Do you realize what you just said?

Here is an analogy:

Person A says:
“Antifa attacked my neighbors’ homes, they killed everyone, and burned their homes to the ground.
So now I consider Antifa as my enemy and I’m ready to fight them off and eliminate them if they attack my neighborhood again!”

Person B responds:
“So you picked Antifa as your enemy huh..? Why are you such an aggressive warmonger!?” , “Antifa only wants peace.”

......

So no. We didn’t pick Russia as or enemy...

Russia is the one who picked the West as its enemy. After all we have zero troops in Russia, but Russia has invaded and annexed our allies’ territories with Russian troops all over the place! : In Crimea, Donbas, in an attempt to take Kiev the Capital of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova... and Russia is allied to Iran and Hamas. Russia launched its proxy Iran/Isreal/Hamas war. Have you forgotten that? Shouldn’t we care about our Israeli allies?

Putin ‘forming axis of terror’ as he welcomes Hamas and Iran to Moscow
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/26/putin-forming-axis-of-terror-welcomes-hamas-iran-moscow/

It’s about time for every American and “law and order” individuals to start condemning the Kremlin deep-state warmongering frenzy. Russia’s 4-ever wars policies must end.


79 posted on 05/19/2024 6:51:21 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

“So you are a dove then. Right? You are so scared about a single shot being fired...”

Speaking for myself, I was career military as was my Dad. All three kids have been in the military, two in the Middle East. My Dad died in Vietnam and he made it clear, before he went, that he hated war.

War is not the answer for everything. War is hideous and yes, it is true that bad people sometimes WIN in a war.

Am I willing to do whatever it takes to stop Russia in Ukraine? No. Neither are the vast majority of Americans, because it MIGHT require our troops on the ground and or nukes.

Jesus said, “Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.”

I trust Jesus over “USA-FRANCE”.


80 posted on 05/19/2024 6:56:47 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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