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A wargame simulated a 2nd Trump presidency. It concluded NATO would collapse.
Business Insider ^ | May 12, 2024 | Michael Peck

Posted on 05/13/2024 7:16:34 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

If Donald Trump wins a second term in the White House in November, NATO may fall apart, a recent wargame found.

As a presidential candidate, Trump has threatened to quit NATO unless European allies contribute more, and should he carry it out Europe may decide to go it alone on defense, the game suggests. "A US policy of frustrating NATO has the potential to cause the alliance to collapse, with the EU as a candidate for eventually replacing NATO's ultimate function — defending Europe from Russia," wrote Finley Grimble, the British defense expert who designed and ran the game.

The US doesn't have to withdraw from NATO to imperil the 75-year-old alliance. Technically, the US is barred from leaving NATO after Congress voted in 2023 to prohibit withdrawal without congressional approval.

But the game showed how Trump — the presumptive Republican presidential nominee who said on the campaign trail that he'd encourage Russia to "do whatever the hell they want" with NATO allies who spend too little on their militaries — could undermine NATO simply by doing as little as possible to support the alliance. "What Donald Trump can do is just really hollow out what NATO does," Grimble told Business Insider. "He doesn't need to leave NATO to ruin it. He can ruin it from within."

Grimble, who has conducted wargames for the British government, conceived of this game after claims by former US National Security Adviser John Bolton that he talked then-President Trump out of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. He designed a tabletop simulation where the players — mostly British specialists in defense, intelligence and foreign policy — assumed the role of leaders of the 32 NATO nations, plus Ukraine and Russia; China was played by the umpires.

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To: PGR88

Leftists are enemies of the US no matter what country they infest. But that does not make the whole country an enemy.


41 posted on 05/13/2024 8:17:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The world is in-proportionally reliant on the USA.
Period.

The world’s Prison Bitch.
The USA.

We The People are not quite united in this thing.


42 posted on 05/13/2024 8:19:59 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

To see the outcome as credible requires that one believe that NATO members would refuse to spend enough on their defense to satisfy Trump — but then join together and spend much more after US withdrawal to defend themselves. Both propositions are unlikely.


43 posted on 05/13/2024 8:20:27 PM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wellll now — they’d better disband NATO right away so DJT can’t collapse it.


44 posted on 05/13/2024 8:23:57 PM PDT by Migraine ( )
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To: MinorityRepublican

“A wargame simulated a 2nd Trump presidency. It concluded NATO would collapse.”

well, MY wargame shows a simulated 2nd Trump presidency would make NATO extremely powerful because ALL NATO countries would be forced to meet 100% of their financial obligations going back 10 years ...


45 posted on 05/13/2024 8:24:01 PM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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To: Olog-hai

I just prefer to call them the Useful Idiots that they are.
They embrace an evil ideology.
Some may have to die some day…not necessarily from old age.


46 posted on 05/13/2024 8:24:21 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope. )
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To: PLMerite

“NATO existed so that the U.S. military could start fighting the Warsaw Pact at the inter-German border”

Interesting. NATO was formed in 1949. The Warsaw Pact was formed in 1955 when West Germany was allowed to remilitarize and join NATO.


47 posted on 05/13/2024 8:25:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: MinorityRepublican
OR, they could simply pay their fair share...
48 posted on 05/13/2024 8:25:52 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Olog-hai

Business Insider, TDS Insider


49 posted on 05/13/2024 8:26:57 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: montag813

And I demand free Dom Pérignon, Bitberger Pils, and Camembert, for life.

***************************************************

Two years at Bitburg. Drank my share of Pils and then some /grin/

Howling Good Times.


50 posted on 05/13/2024 8:29:53 PM PDT by dagunk
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

That’s the bottom line.


51 posted on 05/13/2024 8:35:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: MinorityRepublican

These Euroweenie nations need to pay or of forget it. They’ve relied on us to pick up their slack for far too long.


52 posted on 05/13/2024 8:35:58 PM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Great tagline.
There are so many enemies in media these days.


53 posted on 05/13/2024 8:36:11 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope. )
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To: Olog-hai

Does anyone know why so many British men are homosexual?


54 posted on 05/13/2024 8:36:25 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nwrep

Their statistics office says 1.5 percent of the population in England and Wales identify as gay or lesbian and 1.3 percent as bisexual.


55 posted on 05/13/2024 8:39:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why don’t we just ‘end game’ what happens if Trump wins?

- Clearly, WWIII will begin
- Trump becomes a Nazi dictator and commits genocide
- ...Trans people first
- Climate change will hit women and children the hardest
- All opponents will be executed
- Border enforcement kills the hopes of everyone on the planet
- Trump continues with his ‘mean tweets’
- Leftists commit suicide en-masse.

ok...the last one...


56 posted on 05/13/2024 8:39:29 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Only NATO?

Wow I would have expected them to say the entire Universe would implode?


57 posted on 05/13/2024 8:41:03 PM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: All

LOOK IT UP

Trump stood against the world opposing the Putin Pipeline, and Germany and other world leaders laughed in his face. They said his position was crazy and bourne out of conspiracy theories, dangerous conspiracy theories.

Trump halted the Pipeline, Biden came in. Biden was lobbied with $1.5 Million dollars (Russia hired one of his former staffers) and Biden gave everything the green light, as everyone knew he would.

Who’s better for Europe? More importantly who’s better for the USA.


58 posted on 05/13/2024 8:42:31 PM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: All

Later the blowing up of that Pipeline caused the largest man made release of greenhouse gases in the history of the World.

Methane.


59 posted on 05/13/2024 8:44:19 PM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: MinorityRepublican

or... they could simply pay their fair share!


60 posted on 05/13/2024 8:51:08 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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