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To: Red6
IMHO, nations like Israel depend on the US war industrial base.

Maybe they should depend on themselves.
I'm sick of the U.S. baby-sitting them.
We have homeless veterans with missing limbs living on the streets who have fought these forever wars.
Enough!

Unfortunately for them, that makes US politicians have influence over them.

Ya think?

Some of these weapon systems are complex and a small nation of 9,000,000 people can’t realistically afford or have the broad tech and industrial capabilities to build all of these things.

Israel has the most advanced defensive apparatus security system in the world. How goat-humping Muslims managed to invade the country on 10/07 on cheap paragliders, I don't know, but I have my thoughts.

Think of it like this, Israel is like the state of New Jersey, that’s it. Would that state if it’s own nation really have the ability to build all these different and complex weapons systems, in mass?

What the Hell are you drinking and smoking? Israel is arguably the world's leader in water desalinization and on the cutting edge of healthcare procedures and emergency trauma. If they can do these things, surrounded by Muslims and confined to a state the size of NJ, they can build their own weaponry.

Israel does well, and they have a big domestic military industrial base given their size, but they are largely dependent on us.

Good for them. I'm all for Israel defending itself, usually against those mean-old innocent Palestinian women and children that they gun down randomly and then blame on Hamas, but they have a right to defend themselves nevertheless.

FYI- By withholding weapons from Israel we are violating an agreement with them. Once again we just do whatever we want because there is no one to hold us accountable, no real near peer competitor. And because the MSM is pro-Democrat, they don’t roast him in this issue.

Make it treaty-based then. Stop with this nonsense that we have to protect them at all costs to the detriment of our taxpayers and military.

30 posted on 05/10/2024 5:10:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

To build the entire scope of modern military weapons requires an economy, an industry, larger than what Israel has.

They produce what is critical (key) for them, and most of their basic systems (rifles ammo...) and they are a tech leader in some areas, but to produce it all and be able to do that in mass, is out of scope for a small nation of 9,000,000 people.

So they purchase F-15s, F-16s, F-35s, AH-64s, certain air defense systems, air to air systems (complex weapon systems)... These are complex systems that require the expertise of a broad range of folks to build, a large degree of specialization, specialized hardware, specialized high tech an (((economy of scale that is far out of scope for Israel))).

Only major security agreements: https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/

Most agreements between our two nations: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/formal-agreements-between-us-and-israel

Specific the logistics agreement: https://books.google.com/books/about/Defense_Logistics.html?id=3rTCV-S06XEC

We sort of promised them that we would materially support them in a conflict. By withholding military hardware in order to pressure them to do what we want (outside of the scope of previous agreements) we are once again violating a treaty / agreement.

One of the problems with the US and any agreement / promise we make, is that Congress and the White House turn over constantly and the promises made by predecessors mean little for those following.

I agree with you 100% that we need to worry about our own problems, that we should NOT get involved in every foreign dispute and bankroll them. That said, unlike Ukraine where the argument is very weak, with Israel we have numerous agreements, we helped create the state, they assist us also, and the argument for why we should help actually holds true unlike Ukraine which is not a democracy, is not sovereign, and where the war was very much so provoked by us (NATO East expansion, etc)...

Even just combining these two conflicts (in the MSM and in a single bill to fund them) was a political maneuver and highly deceptive.

One is a legitimate cause where they really were attacked, are surrounded by heathens and savages that want to kill them. The other one is a bunch of rich folks and politicians in the West that would like to expand their wealth and power. Biden making these rich folks happy and giving them what they want. Personally I’d have no problem cutting Ukraine off since this is a BS war caused by the Biden administration, 100%. This caused a war: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (((And it was entirely unnecessary.)))

But cutting Israel off or even pressuring them to execute this war according to our political whims (what benefits the Biden administration since the Palestinians have done a good job with the Western media and now Biden is trying to appease a lot of kids that vote) is further than I would go.

While I agree that we should be less involved and worry about our own problems, I wouldn’t go entirely isolationist. I’m not claiming you to be that way, just telling where I’m coming from. That said, some causes are justified, and some allies are true, and some nations really do have a democracy, follow laws, are sovereign... Abandoning Israel is IMHO a very bad thing.


60 posted on 05/11/2024 9:55:43 AM PDT by Red6
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