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To: Robert DeLong

Russia didn’t invade Ukraine because of NATO. If NATO wasn’t there, Russia would have invaded it as soon as Putin was elected the first time, and really even earlier if NATO hadn’t been created, they would have taken West Germany and points West of the Iron Curtain just because they could.
The Russians helped start WW2 by invading Poland.
No, Russia did not invade Ukraine for any of the. excuses it gives in its propaganda, which is every bit as full of bullcrap as CNN.
Russia invaded Ukraine because it is the breadbasket of Europe, and Russia doesn’t want to rely on negotiation and trade to get what it needs or wants when it can simply conquer, deport the locals, colonize, and thereafter take what it wants, any time it wants, for as long as it wants instead of paying market prices.
It isn’t stupid like the US is. It keeps what it takes, with no intention of handing it back over to the locals.

And then there is the price gouging allure of it- Russia doesn’t want any kind of free trade but rather wants coercive power over all of its neighbors “from the Crimea to the Atlantic Ocean” by any means necessary, be it controlling the price of oil, gas,uranium, grain or any other lever it can take by force.


14 posted on 05/09/2024 4:48:26 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

Blah blah blah didn’t read anything you wrote

Go spout this nonsense to your Biden buddies


15 posted on 05/09/2024 4:53:24 PM PDT by pigeoninthepark
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To: piasa

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, in 2008 Putin has stated that Georgia & Ukraine were red lines as far as he was concerned, with regard to NATO expansion. No different then when Nikita Khrushchev tried to send nukes to Cuba to aim at us.


35 posted on 05/10/2024 6:25:56 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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