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Patriot air defenses to be mothballed after decades of mostly gathering dust
Times of Israel ^ | 4/30/24 | Emanuel Fabian

Posted on 04/30/2024 4:02:07 PM PDT by hardspunned

The Israeli Air Force is set to bid farewell to its aging Patriot missile defense systems in the coming months, replacing the batteries with more advanced air defenses, the military said Tuesday.

In February, the IAF said it was in the process of closing several Patriot batteries, and its staff would be trained to operate the Iron Dome instead.

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To: monkeyshine

Yeah probably the biggest threat is a nuke in space that can be just dropped and depend on gravity. Just a falling nuke with no propulsion just a kinetic delivery. No way to stop that.


41 posted on 04/30/2024 5:27:12 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: rottweiller_inc

MIRV. Old hat, everyone has had them since the 60’s. The current US one is Trident II.

As for stealth interceptors, also an old idea. As also decoy systems, maneuvering warheads, etc. All part of the game.


42 posted on 04/30/2024 5:31:20 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: rottweiller_inc

They possibly can be detected and stopped. These will have to be deorbited with a rocket burn, and have to go through reentry.

I don’t know if the sensors currently exist that can detect this effectively. But whoever does know isn’t telling.


43 posted on 04/30/2024 5:34:46 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Well my point is, if they have them them, the missile defense systems, like Patriot, would be obsolete and it seems like an admission by the government in a round about way.


44 posted on 04/30/2024 5:35:40 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: buwaya

Well it’s the same way meteor strikes suddenly happen. The same principal.


45 posted on 04/30/2024 5:37:13 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: buwaya

ever hear the rumor that the US has a system, Rods from God, same kind of thing


46 posted on 04/30/2024 5:39:04 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: rottweiller_inc

Why would Patriot (or Standard or THAAD) be obsolete? They are area weapons and they can intercept warheads (depending on conditions).

ABM systems are getting better all the time.


47 posted on 04/30/2024 5:39:20 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

well missile defense depends on radar being able to detect the target. If it is stealth, the system is useless


48 posted on 04/30/2024 5:40:33 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: rottweiller_inc

The “rods” thing is an old speculation.

Invented by Jerry Pournelle @60 years ago. I’m an old Pournelle fan.
Pournelle was pushing it for decades. I’ve heard nothing about that being deployed. But it comes up regularly.


49 posted on 04/30/2024 5:43:19 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: rottweiller_inc

It’s also going to have an IR signature, given the speed and energy involved.
But it’s all speculation at this point.


50 posted on 04/30/2024 5:45:26 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

well thunk about what they have done. Remember them shooting down Chinese balloons and other things? That indicates they have really stopped up trying to detect things in the air.


51 posted on 04/30/2024 5:49:02 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: rottweiller_inc

Ive had the honor to meet Pournelle several times. We never discussed “rods” though. We also corresponded when he had his “Byte” magazine column. Brilliant guy. The sort where one just sat and listened.


52 posted on 04/30/2024 5:49:23 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Yeah the idea is sound but that would require a good amount of fast math. Oh. Yeah. Now they are pushing A.I.


53 posted on 04/30/2024 5:50:25 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: rottweiller_inc

They had detected it, they just ignored it, deeming the contact unimportant.

Sort of like the Army radar system at Pearl Harbor.


54 posted on 04/30/2024 5:50:54 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

I have to say i really like the idea. I dunno if it’s true but I wouldn’t put it past the Government. They are so far out of control the constitution is nothing to them, They do what they want.


55 posted on 04/30/2024 5:52:42 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc (n't put it past them)
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To: buwaya

well suddenly they were detecting small private drones. They have really stepped it up.


56 posted on 04/30/2024 5:53:38 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc (n't put it past them)
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To: rottweiller_inc

I dont know if AI has much to do with it (who knows), but computers are indeed vastly than before, better at calculating trajectories, etc.

I used to work with a UC Berkeley Astrophysicist, who specialized in orbital dynamics. We hired him to do curve fitting algorithms for inspecting parts with complex curves. A very similar problem, and he was upbeat about ABM systems (given the requisite computing power).


57 posted on 04/30/2024 5:57:23 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: hardspunned
Zelensky has to be asking, Bro WTH?
58 posted on 04/30/2024 6:02:17 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: buwaya

Yeah., Dropping a warhead from space and depending on gravity to hit the correct target would require really complex math and with A.I. it’s now possible.
I doubt very much any system could detect, correctly, falling metal with no heat signatures from propulsion.


59 posted on 04/30/2024 6:02:37 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc (n't put it past them)
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To: buwaya

Keeping in mind the government was squawking about Russia and China putting nukes in space.


60 posted on 04/30/2024 6:07:32 PM PDT by rottweiller_inc (n't put it past them)
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