Posted on 04/24/2024 6:28:58 PM PDT by Ennis85
An Arizona grand jury has indicted former Donald Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows and lawyer Rudy Giuliani along with 16 others in an election interference case.
The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Donald Trump beat Joe Biden in Arizona in the 2020 presidential election. It shows seven other defendants whose names were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the charges.
The Associated Press was able to determine the identities of the unnamed defendants based on their descriptions in the indictment.
One is described as an attorney “who was often identified as the Mayor” and spread false allegations of election fraud, a description that clearly describes Giuliani. Another is described as Trump’s “ chief of staff in 2020,” which describes Meadows.
“I will not allow American democracy to be undermined,” Democratic Attorney General Kris Mayes said in a video released by her office. “It’s too important.”
The 11 people who had been nominated to be Arizona’s Republican electors met in Phoenix on Dec. 14, 2020, to sign a certificate saying they were “duly elected and qualified” electors and claiming that Trump carried the state. A one-minute video of the signing ceremony was posted on social media by the Arizona Republican Party at the time. The document was later sent to Congress and the National Archives, where it was ignored.
Biden won Arizona by more than 10,000 votes. Of the eight lawsuits that unsuccessfully challenged Biden’s victory in the state, one was filed by the 11 Republicans who would later sign the certificate declaring Trump as the winner.
Their lawsuit asked a judge to de-certify the results that gave Biden his victory in Arizona and block the state from sending them to the Electoral College. In
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These are the signees being charged:
KELLI WARD
TYLER BOWYER
NANCY COTTLE
JACOB HOFFMAN
ANTHONY KERN
JAMES LAMON
ROBERT MONTGOMERY
SAMUEL MOORHEAD
LORRAINE PELLEGRINO
GREGORY SAFSTEN
MICHAEL WARD
They submitted the fraudulent documents to:
Arizona Secretary of State
Archivist of the United States
Chief Judge of the Federal District Court for the District of Arizona
“Bullspit! This is all to silence any opposition to the steal!”
That may be true, that may be the motivation to prosecute.
BUT
That doesn’t mean these people weren’t foolish, and didn’t commit a crime. Read the indictment for yourself instead of the media filtered version.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24604435/arizona-indictments.pdf
It is pretty cut and dry that they broke the law. It is clear with better legal counsel they could have avoided it, like the PA electors did.
I feel bad for them, they seem like dupes.
My recollection is they followed exactly the same guidelines used by the Hawaii electors when that state's election was disputed during the 1960 election, I think.
And if they knowingly, fraudulently committed those acts then they should get hammered.
The PA attorney did the right thing.
Re: 42 - Where was competent legal counsel in advising them?
Good grief.
“submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring”
No bias there. Did they prove that conclusively that it’s false?
“Biden won Arizona by more than 10,000 votes.”
Prove it. Audit? Oh wait....
It is astounding to me that, after decades of blatant in-your-face election fraud and theft by Democrats, that it seems every time I see a headline re someone being charged with election fraud the “suspects” are somehow always REPUBLICANS.
“My recollection is they followed exactly the same guidelines used by the Hawaii “
This is a false narrative you are hearing. Other Trump electors, like in PA, followed the Hawaii protocol. That was to say: pending legal cases and the final we are the electors for one side.
In states like AZ, they just fraudulently claimed they were the official electors with no legal basis. It was part legal incompetence, and part plan to get a fake slate to Pence to delay the vote count.
I absolutely do not care about their alleged "fraudulent" claims. I have looked at much evidence regarding what a corrupt election occurred in Maricopa county Arizona, and what those people did was reasonable based on the corruption we have seen.
What we are seeing now is that corruption trying to protect itself from further assaults against its legitimacy.
So far as i'm concerned, the people doing the persecuting are the ones who need to be going to prison.
All these people owe their power to rigged corrupted elections, and they are all illegitimate.
I think where you are failing in your thinking, and as a moral being, and as a citizen, is that you are seeing a possible wrong, and using it justify another wrong.
If God himself came down to earth to cast judgement, maybe he’d prosecute dems in AZ, but he’d also prosecute the fraudulent electors.
The poster you replied to is just accepting the ridiculous claims in the AG’s indictment (and the past 3 years of Democrat and media talking points) at face value.
There was no fraud, there was no attempted fraud, and all these people did was preserve the AZ GOP’s right to present a contingent set of electors in the middle of a contested (and obviously deeply flawed) election while the process laid out in the constitution was allowed to run its course.
No one ever mistook the contingent slate of electors for the slate certified by the governor and all of the claims to the contrary are so absurd and dishonest that they don’t even deserve a polite rebuttal.
This is an unprecedented, and incredibly dangerous political corruption of the judicial process and it’s a mistake to not take this seriously. The Democrats are playing with fire, and people are starting to sit up and take notice.
Won’t be boring, that’s for sure.
I see massive evidence of an obvious wrong, followed by a refusal to address it by the authorities, followed by a coverup, followed by prosecution of people trying to bring this wrong to light.
As it has been sometimes said, "the social contract is broken." We are under no obligation to play fair with them now.
If God himself came down to earth to cast judgement, maybe he’d prosecute dems in AZ, but he’d also prosecute the fraudulent electors.
Split the baby, huh? Somehow I think God is smarter than that.
I have long thought that if it becomes clear that Trump is going to win, the deep state and it's cohort of pawns will see him killed.
But I agree with everything you said.
“Split the baby, huh? Somehow I think God is smarter than that.”
There is no baby, just many men making choices. Each one that chooses to break the law deserves punishment.
Like helping slaves escape?
Like hiding Jews in their attic?
You and I have a different idea about what is most important. I don't think the cobbled together idiocy that we currently refer to as "the LAW" should garner the respect that some of you think it should have.
Gay marriage? Abortion on Demand? Banning prayer in Schools?
The law means whatever the judges feel like.
We are ruled by men, not laws.
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