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Why US voters are looking beyond Biden and Trump
Arab News ^ | April 20, 2024 | Andrew Hammond

Posted on 04/22/2024 2:09:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway

As the 2024 presidential race heats up, a central paradox is becoming ever clearer: Many voters are growing disenchanted with, and are certainly not enthused, by the two main candidates, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, who are 81 and 77 years old, respectively. With a little over six months to go before election day on Nov. 5, this can be seen in Biden’s relatively low approval ratings. Meanwhile, Trump’s ever-growing list of controversies and court cases might be buoying his populist political base but they are turning off many independents and more moderate Republican voters.

One of the key implications of all this is the high possibility that their choice of running mates will be unusually important this time around, in historical terms, not least because of the greater than usual possibility that whichever of them triumphs in the presidential election might face challenges, given their age.

Therefore, their choices of vice president will be very important, which challenges the traditional view of this secondary office. The usual perspective on the office was rather colorfully summarized by John Nance Garner, who held the post between 1933 and 1941 under Franklin D. Roosevelt, when he said that “vice presidents never get to go anywhere … the office is not worth a bucket of warm spit.”

Even if Biden or Trump, the oldest presidential candidates nominated by the two main parties in American history, manage the next five years, their energy could flag significantly during their time in office. Their running mates might therefore wield major influence in the White House. There are at least two, more general reasons for this, beyond the ages of Biden and Trump. Firstly, the office has assumed more power and resources in recent decades, with recent vice presidents such as Biden, Dick Cheney, and Al Gore ranking among the most influential in US history. The power that those three were entrusted with reflected not only their own great political experience and strong relationships with Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton respectively. It was also a function of the enhanced status of the vice presidency, reflected not only by larger staffing budgets but also greater proximity to the center of power via a West Wing office in the White House; weekly one-on-one meetings with the president; and the authority to attend all presidential meetings.

Secondly, the office has become perhaps the single best transitional step to the presidency, as exemplified by Biden. Even if the next president manages past 2029, the next vice president could be on a “fast track” to the Oval Office at the 2028 election, or at some point in the 2030s. Since 1960, four sitting vice presidents earned their respective party’s presidential nomination but lost the election: Richard Nixon in 1960, Hubert Humphrey in 1968; Walter Mondale in 1984; and Gore in 2000. Three former vice presidents have been elected president: Nixon in 1968, George H.W. Bush in 1988, and Biden in 2020.

The next vice president has a higher than normal chance of assuming the top job at some point between 2025 and 2029.

As noted, the next vice president has a higher than normal chance of assuming the top job at some point between 2025 and 2029. And history shows us the crucial effect that stepping up in this way can have on the future prospects of a vice president.

This is perhaps best exemplified by Harry Truman, who was vice president for just a few months, from January to April 1945, before becoming president when Roosevelt died in office. Within weeks of taking over, Truman had made several highly consequential, controversial decisions, not least the order to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August that year. He subsequently won the 1948 presidential election. In this context, the electoral stakes have grown in the nuclear age for failing to select a deputy perceived as being capable of effectively assuming the office of president upon the death or incapacitation of the incumbent.

Take, for example, the 2008 election, in which Republican nominee John McCain, then 71, selected as his running mate Sarah Palin, who was widely viewed at the time as being too inexperienced and gaffe-prone to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Barring any last-minute change of mind, it looks most likely that Vice President Kamala Harris will once again be Biden’s running mate, despite the fact that she is widely perceived as not having performed strongly since taking office in 2021.

In 2016, Trump chose former Gov. Mike Pence, someone even many of his partisan opponents would concede could have potentially assumed the presidency in an effective manner had the situation warranted it. It remains unclear, however, whether in 2024 Trump will pick a similarly suitably competent individual.

One candidate reportedly under consideration to be his running mate is Kari Lake, who said during a rally last Sunday that Trump supporters should prepare for a “difficult” six months ahead of the election, and called on the military and police veterans among them to stand ready. Remarkably, she then added: “What do we want to strap on? We’re going to strap on our seat belt. We’re going to put on our helmet or your Kari Lake ball cap. We are going to put on the armor of God. Then maybe strap on a Glock (a type of gun) on the side of us, just in case. You can put one here and one in the back or one in the front, whatever you guys decide.”

Taking all of this together, we can see why the choice of vice president will really matter. The next holder of the office will not only have significant powers in their own right, they will also have a higher than usual chance of taking over as president should Trump or Biden be unable to perform as president.

Andrew Hammond is an associate at LSE IDEAS at the London School of Economics.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: nickcarraway

Julie Kelly

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1782486128915857520.html


41 posted on 04/22/2024 3:14:06 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: nickcarraway

Some truth to this but suspect it is the quality of the candidates that is the issue but the problem is these candidates come from the Voter base which tells us the base is equally bad.


42 posted on 04/22/2024 3:38:23 PM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: Owen

Like David Souter?


43 posted on 04/22/2024 3:39:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Verginius Rufus

I think he means people that were ever vice president. Because you didn’t include Richard Nixon, and he was not vice president in 1968.


44 posted on 04/22/2024 3:40:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes, he crewed that up. But there no reason to use initials until there was a presidential candidate with the same name, like John Quincy Adams.


45 posted on 04/22/2024 3:41:52 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Soon the nevertrumping desantis supporters will be saying Trump is so toxic to the republican party, it’d be better to let biden become president again, rather than to tear the GOP party apart with infighting due to Trump and America First supporters....


46 posted on 04/22/2024 4:03:30 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: nickcarraway
Vance has far better chance in 2028 than damaged loser Ron DeSantis does.

Republicans aren't going back to being the party of Bush, no matter how much Never Trumpers want to.

47 posted on 04/22/2024 4:04:19 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: nickcarraway

Did not click on that, but, no, the American voter is not looking beyond Biden and Trump. If they had the ability to look farther than their noses, Biden would be at zero in the polls.


48 posted on 04/22/2024 4:04:34 PM PDT by odawg
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To: pfflier

Andrew Hammond currently teaches Late Ottoman and Turkish history at Oxford university. He is the author of The Islamic Utopia: The Illusion of Reform in Saudi Arabia, Popular Culture in North Africa and the Middle East, and the forthcoming “Salafi publishing and contestation over orthodoxy and leadership in Sunni Islam,” in Wahhabism and the World, (2022). Also by BY ANDREW HAMMOND // JANUARY 28, 2021: The Egyptian Uprising through the Lens of the Muslim Brotherhood: A New History of the Movement Assesses Its Failure in Government and the Fallout under Sisi.


49 posted on 04/22/2024 4:05:23 PM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: Kazan

J.D. Vance is a Hollywood leftist. You hate the U.S., so anyone you would advocate would destroy the U.S.


50 posted on 04/22/2024 4:11:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
You're a clown, Nicky. This comment about Vance is more proof of it.

Vance is as principled a MAGA Republican as there is in Congress.

I know. I live in Ohio.

51 posted on 04/22/2024 4:13:29 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: jimwatx

She’s the dream of her Party. Most of them are as stupid as her.


52 posted on 04/22/2024 4:42:23 PM PDT by abbastanza
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To: Migraine

“Too often commentators try to lump Biden and Trump into the same ball of wax. The real Americans are smarter than that. There is no comparison. There is massive love and empathy for Trump. For Biden, those who tolerate him and find him useful do so while holding their noses. Nobody actually likes him.”

Exactly. +1

They keep trying and keep failing.

Trump 2024


53 posted on 04/22/2024 4:47:13 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t recall a Souter commitment to draining the swamp. Why would he be an example?

There is no other important issue.


54 posted on 04/22/2024 4:53:20 PM PDT by Owen (.)
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To: nickcarraway; Freest Republican
J.D. Vance? You have to be kidding.

Just that.

Hillbilly Elegy (film)... J. D. Vance looks back on his childhood in Middletown, Ohio, raised by his mother Beverly and her parents from Jackson, Kentucky.
I'd run like a scalded dog.   I tried to attend college in Jackson and realized it was the armpit of the United States.   I learned that two years before I got there, a Black man was tied to cinderblocks and thrown into Pan Bowl Lake.   One night my roommate, driving his large Chrysler land yacht, was rammed by a pickup truck and pistol whipped because he had long hair.   Don was a Sergeant first class in Viet Nam.

A girl I knew confided to me that her Baptist preacher father had been having sex with her for a few years.   Those people have lost their way long ago.

Oh also, the steel door at the end of the hallway in the college dormitory had .44 Magnum bullet holes in it.

I grew up in rural Georgia so I assure you that I don't over react about this.

55 posted on 04/22/2024 5:04:38 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: nickcarraway

The Arab News! ROTFLMAO! Yeah, right.


56 posted on 04/22/2024 5:19:51 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Guns don't commit "gun violence." They don't even know what the hell "gun violence" is.)
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To: nickcarraway

Bkmk


57 posted on 04/22/2024 5:24:01 PM PDT by sauropod (Ne supra crepidam)
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To: Freest Republican

“ He is in fr 10th choice to 4th choice.

Rubio has also come in quite a bit lately too.

Scott 7/2
Gabbard 6/1
Noem 8/1
Vance 9/1
Rubio 11/1

The top five in the betting at the moment.”
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The ONLY one of those acceptable to me at the moment is Vance. Of course he is likely not a favorite of RINOs, Globalists and ZEEPERS.


58 posted on 04/22/2024 5:29:29 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: Inquiring Minds

Well, algore did create the Internet.


59 posted on 04/22/2024 5:55:02 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread")
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To: nickcarraway
He got Nixon right--he ran while VP in 1960 and then as a former VP in 1968.

I think 1988 was the first time a sitting Vice President was elected President since Martin Van Buren in 1836.

60 posted on 04/22/2024 6:05:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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