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Europe is already planning for what happens if Ukraine loses. It’s ugly
Defense One ^ | 4/12/24 | Patrick Tucker

Posted on 04/15/2024 9:21:45 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

A Ukrainian loss, which could happen very soon if U.S. weapons don’t arrive, would ramp up Russian efforts to destabilize the governments of NATO countries and increase defense spending across the alliance, among other disastrous effects, Hanno Pevkur, Estonia’s Defense Minister, told reporters Friday.

When U.S. officials like President Joe Biden talk about why Ukraine matters, they rely on broad notions of democracy and the continuation of the international order—without specifically explaining what a Ukraine loss would mean for ordinary Americans. Perhaps because of this, Americans are evenly split on the question of whether the United States is doing too much for Ukraine.

Pevkur said one of the deliverables from last year’s NATO Summit in Vilnius was new battle plans for Eastern European countries should Ukraine fall.

“These plans address these different scenarios,” he said. “Of course, for obvious reasons I cannot be very specific, but I can assure you that these plans are shaped by looking at the possible Russian posture in our neighborhood.”

One of the likely consequences of a loss, he said, is a much larger and more dangerous Russian military.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; feudalism; killkillkillforpeace; nato; russia; ukraine
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The CIA has admitted the engineered the 2014 Ukraine regime change

Proof please.

41 posted on 04/15/2024 10:42:40 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I’d suggest the euroweenies ramp up their own defense spending because we are broke as f.


42 posted on 04/15/2024 10:48:09 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.)
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To: A strike

“although unfortunate, it’s a good thing that you don’t know shiite”

Why is that a “good thing”? (I didn’t find where you posted in this thread.)


43 posted on 04/15/2024 11:04:11 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The Euros are horrified that they might have to proportionally spend as much on defense as the United States.


44 posted on 04/15/2024 11:06:24 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: KrisKrinkle

you are such a frkn’ moron you can’t even get an address right


45 posted on 04/15/2024 11:12:22 AM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Bunch of idiot Estonians. They want revenge for the Soviet era, which happened because of the nazi era. Their old world bullcrap never ends.
The same old fable that Russia is restoring the empire and might invade Poland and the Baltics again.

Lunacy


46 posted on 04/15/2024 11:13:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“A Ukrainian loss, which could happen very soon if U.S. weapons don’t arrive...”

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Yes, it’s all the US’s fault. /s

Will they lose if European weapon’s don’t arrive? Well, will they?


47 posted on 04/15/2024 11:15:24 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“Proof please”
Don be such a super dum@$$ as you are


48 posted on 04/15/2024 11:15:28 AM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: AndyJackson

Like Latvia, Estonia has a solid nazi past and to this day sets up memorials to their own SS division, has “veterans” parades, uses nazi anthems in official events.


49 posted on 04/15/2024 11:16:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

What has Europe done to prepare? The invasion started over 25 months ago. Why were they putting so much trust in a regime that is over 30 trillion in the hole? People who think the USA should police the world should have thought of planning better over 30 trillion dollars ago.


50 posted on 04/15/2024 11:22:22 AM PDT by Degaston
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

OH MY GOD!!!! You mean the Yurps might have to start actually paying for their own defense???? What a disaster!


51 posted on 04/15/2024 11:27:48 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Hanno Pevkur...lifelong lawyer. 13 when the wall fell. Really excited about war, will never be in one.


52 posted on 04/15/2024 11:28:25 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
...increase defense spending across the alliance...

Sorry, EUnuchs. The U.S.-driven gravy train is sputtering, so how about finally trimming your welfare states and paying for your own defense?

53 posted on 04/15/2024 11:42:23 AM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

54 posted on 04/15/2024 11:45:46 AM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

If the Europeans are determined to go to war with Russia, let them. We need to stay out of it.


55 posted on 04/15/2024 11:49:51 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Americans used to solve problems.

Does it look like we've solved our own problems?

Our problems are the priority, not fighting the globalist elite's proxy war with Russia.

56 posted on 04/15/2024 11:51:27 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Google Victoria Nuland and cookies and see what comes up.

Both McCain and Lindsey Graham were in Ukraine giving speeches encouraging the Maiden revolution.

There is NO chance you're naïve not to realize the CIA is notorious for fomenting color revolutions.

57 posted on 04/15/2024 12:01:02 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Ukraine is mostly flat. There are maps which include the location of all defensive structures for both Russia and Ukraine. There are bombs that can destroy even the most hardened bunkers. Both sides have satellites and drones that can identify any changes to the defensive landscape.

No country can defend Ukraine without spending ridiculous amounts of money and opening themselves up to the slaughter of thousands of troops.

Regardless of the implications for defense spending increases, international respect, etc. defending Ukraine is a losing cause. If we really want to strain Russian military resources we should give them the keys to Ukraine and have them worry about defending it.

58 posted on 04/15/2024 12:26:32 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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To: A strike

“...you can’t even get an address right...”

I suckered you into coming out into the open when you came at me through mail and hadn’t posted on the thread before that.

I’ve got to get back to my game of solitaire now, it’s more intellectually stimulating than you. You can’t even come up with insults that are halfway decent.


59 posted on 04/15/2024 12:32:21 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

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60 posted on 04/15/2024 12:34:30 PM PDT by sauropod (Ne supra crepidam)
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