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To: scouter
we do have free will, because if we didn’t, we wouldn’t be able to stop doing that.

Excellent point. I've been carrying on a running debate with an other-wise highly intelligent agnostic.

He admits that scientist don't understand the true nature of "consciousness", but in the next breath tells me we have no ability to control decisions". I roll my eyes and remind him, my entire 42 year career was largely based on my ability to make good decisions. In the last half of that career, while in sales, my job was to help other people make decisions. There is an entire industry built around the process of making decisions. Clearly, we CAN decide to move one way, or another... at will.

For sure, there is much about us that is pre-determined by our biology... but, it's not ALL. Upbringing and experiences influence us too. As do structured rules in society. When the US strengthened penalties against drunk driving, people CHANGED their behavior. Well, at least.. MOST people did. Any who were incapable eventually are removed from society.

So yes, maybe there are a few who are SO ADDICTED, they cannot change. But, they either find a way to change, to confirm to the norm, or they are forcible removed from society.

Experience has shown that most addicts CAN change, but they need help from others to learn how. Practically every successful recovery from addiction that I've seen in my life was facilitated by an increase in religious faith. Those who truly lean on Jesus, find their way out of their pit of misery.

68 posted on 04/02/2024 9:03:59 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim (C)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
“Who we are and what we do is ultimately the result of factors beyond our control and because of this we are never morally responsible for our actions in the sense that would make us truly deserving of praise and blame, punishment and reward,

Hey numbnut:

"Praise and Blame, punishment and reward" are EXACTLY the ways we train our brains to be moral, and do the right things instead of the wrong things. So, even if your supposition is correct, your conclusion from it is dead wrong.

69 posted on 04/02/2024 9:17:53 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim (C)
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