Donald Trump had it right in 1999.
The SCOTUS was right to decide that it's up to the states to decide.
If all 50 states want to legalize abortion, I'm not going to argue with that.
Posted on 03/28/2024 11:02:37 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
A record 59 percent of surveyed Americans believe abortion should be legal, according to a new Fox News poll published Wednesday, as the Supreme Court argued over whether abortion pills should be outlawed, and GOP politicians consider support for a national abortion ban.
Support for abortion rights has increased by double digits since early 2022, just before the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision that removed federal protections for abortion procedures. The Dobbs ruling created a cascading effect of abortion restrictions in Republican-controlled states nationwide and sparked a new movement of abortion rights activism.
The 59 percent figure is a significant increase from the April 2022 record low of 44 percent in an identical Fox News poll.
Support for making abortion legal in all or most circumstances has gone up in every demographic, including those considered most critical of abortion rights. That includes a 16 percent increase among people 65 or older, a 12 percent rise among conservatives, an 11 percent increase among registered Republicans and a 10 percent increase among white evangelical Christians.
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A people obsessed with screwing their brains out (you obviously don't watch TV) requires abortion.
Most people would be fine with a 13 week limit, but because of the unusual way abortion was achieved (as a bogus constitutional "right"),the extreme pros and the extreme antis dominated the debate.
So we are stuck at the moment with "You are murdering zygotes" vs Sucking a baby's brains out as soon as the head is visible.
Given the choice between zygote protection and 18 years of child support, society in even the deepest red states is choosing "OK, then - suck the brains out, if need be", by about 70-30.
SCOTUS was clear. This is a STATE issue, not Federal.
Activists favoring the killing of the unborn need to take up their cause with their STATE LEGISLATURES.
‘Nuff said!
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Since God gives us All free will, how about making it mandatory that women seeking abortion must have an ultrasound to see the fetus (baby) living inside of them. If still wanting the abortion the consequences are on them. Pro Choice then is choose Life for the baby or death via abortion. God will hold us All responsible for the choices.
It is a state issue only if it isn’t killing innocent unborn babies and the recently born.
If it is just a relatively meaningless medical procedure then of course it is up to choice and states can enforce that right to choose, in fact how could they ban it.
The loudest and most nauseating abortion advocates are so fat and ugly that the only thing they’d get stuck with is a cattle prod.
Following the exact same trajectory as Britain and Canada on this issue.
There was significant opposition for a couple of decades, but then the decline of Christianity, increased non-Christian immigration, and Elite Leftism tipped the balance.
It has gone so far in Canada that our cucked “Conservative” “Leaders” are frightened to even say they are “personally opposed”. Because that implies there is something wrong with abortion, and any such suggestion is unacceptable.
Let’s open some ‘men’s health centers’ across the country where men can bring their children to be put down. Let’s see how that flies.
In a republic, everyone has equal rights in equal measure.
Nobody has ‘more rights’ than someone else.
If women can kill their children because they’re inconvenient, then so can men.
If men can’t, then neither can women.
Equal rights, equal measure.
I’ve posted this on several threads, most b4 RvW was overturned and various websites w abortion commentary. I’m too old to push this msg as I would have back in the day.
So I’m a PC warrior out of necessity not desire. Anyone who wants to take on this challenge of changing the Pro-Life msg, the below is a good start for the roadmap.
The pro-life movement needs to change its message.
Messaging by the pro-abort crowd of today states the mother is losing her right to abort her unborn child. I know sick, but it works for many empowered woman who feel they are being denied their’ right.
The new pro-life messaging needs to be about providing the unborn w their constitutionally guaranteed human rights - the human right to exist.
Though Civil War history was framed as ending slavery, it was, in fact, about providing slaves their God Given constitutionally guaranteed human rights. Many Christians, who joined the Union Army, joined based upon their human rights conviction. Providing slaves human right status by extension ended slavery.
This analogy to slavery is a winner for the unborn.
The presentation of providing the unborn their God Given constitutionally guaranteed human rights does not fall into the pro-abort trap of denying women their right.
This augment is an affirmation of the unborn’ constitutionally guaranteed human right to be born – to exist.
I pray that the Pro-Life hierarchy see this suggestion and flip their messaging.
They do not think about the child growing in their womb. To them, it’s about no one telling them what to do with their body. I know it’s foreign to us.
But if you want to understand, remember Covid vaccines being mandated. Many women feel the same as people who did their research and refused the vax. Government mandates about what you can do with your body….Right to privacy.
Between you and your Dr.
My only point was that the issue is a STATE issue for legislative consideration.
There is NO NEED for ANY legislation at the Federal level.
I am not pushing my personal belief, either way, on anyone.
And, I did NOT infer that abortion is a “meaningless medical procedure.”
Donald Trump had it right in 1999.
The SCOTUS was right to decide that it's up to the states to decide.
If all 50 states want to legalize abortion, I'm not going to argue with that.
It all depends on what you think and abortion is doing.
It is a state issue only if it isn’t killing innocent unborn babies and the recently born.
If it is just a relatively meaningless medical procedure then of course it is up to choice and states can enforce that right to choose, in fact how could they ban it.
Men enjoy unprotected sex without need for romance, commitment or financial responsibility. Is that what women want?
The real point is whether the destruction of human life from abortion is any different than the murder of a born person. Since science now unequivocally tells us that at conception it is a human being, that should be the starting point for any consideration of this question, not the aftermath.
As I said in another thread on this topic, when we speak of human zygotes, embryos, fetuses, babies, children, teenagers, adults, middle-aged, and old age, these are all simply descriptions of the various stages of human development. Some occur on one side of the birth canal, others on the other side. Some may be imperfect or unwanted by their parents or by society. But all are living human beings. All have an equal human dignity. None should unjustly be deprived of life.
So where do we draw the line at the taking of an innocent human life? What difference does location or stage of human development make? If we lower ourselves to countenance taking the life one category of people for our own convenience and satisfaction, who is next?
Before it can become a legal issue, the moral issue has to be addressed. Before there were written laws against pre-meditated murder, there was a general consensus that it was wrong and this was the basis of the law against murder.
Even though it seems clear to me and others that it is rational to conclude that human life begins at conception, it is an unfortunate fact there is doubt or disbelief about this in a large segment of the population. Is it a human life, or isn't it? If it isn't, you can do whatever you want with it. If it is, it should be treated like all other human life. If one simply does not know, it should be given the benefit of the doubt of being human until proved otherwise. It would be akin to seeing a human shaped bag in the middle of the road. If there's a chance there's a human being in there, do you stop or go around it, or just run over it because you don't know? If you are going to err, it's always wise to err on the side of life.
“As I said in another thread on this topic, when we speak of human zygotes, embryos, fetuses, babies, children, teenagers, adults, middle-aged, and old age, these are all simply descriptions of the various stages of human development. Some occur on one side of the birth canal, others on the other side. Some may be imperfect or unwanted by their parents or by society. But all are living human beings. All have an equal human dignity. None should unjustly be deprived of life. “
That is all true, but beside the point.
“Proving” that the unborn are human doesn’t matter, because all sorts of persons are being killed regardless.
In Canada, we now have 20K euthanasias a year, along with 100K abortions.
The grounds for euthanasia haas been widened so much, that we will have 100K+ euthanasias per year in a very short time.
I don’t believe that ANY compromise should ever be made on either abortion or euthanasia. But Canada and the UK how have an overwhelmingly non-Christian population, with the USA rapidly going the same way. The arguments of human dignity and the value of human life have absolutely no purchase on most of them.
When this Regime falls, more will be possible. Until then, pray for the Lord’s Mercy, because that is all the hope we have left.
The poll better reflects the view of government staying out of the issue. That is why the Republican message needs to be one that protects the unborn while at the same time promoting limited government.
How you do that is a good question. For me I would say I support the right to privacy of choice and the right to life. That is the right to have the baby removed alive from the mother as soon as it the baby is viable.
You may say that makes no sense but then this is about the message and not the substance.
Good luck
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