Posted on 03/19/2024 7:14:27 PM PDT by Trump20162020
By a long shot, the enduring image of a NATO-standard modern main battle tank in the Russo-Ukraine War is a video of a stopped vehicle getting hammered by cheap FPV drones, before it gets set on fire and burns down to a six-million-dollar hulk.
Combat video posted by the 79th Air Assault Brigade on Tuesday, reportedly from the eastern Avdiivka sector, was typical, showing a stationary US-made M1A2 Abrams tank hit with a detonation in the back of the turret, probably by a Russian FPV drone.
Three crew hurl themselves from the main battle tank (MBT) as ammunition stored in a bin on the back of Abrams’ turret catches on fire. The vehicle appears to have taken minor damage. Shells inside the ammo bin start cooking off and the blaze spreads to the tank’s hull. Thirty seconds later the American fighting vehicle is burning fiercely and appears well on its way to becoming a total-write off. The fate of the fourth crewman isn’t clear.
(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...
Artillery is the King, infantry is the Queen.
“They were committed early, first the Leopard IIs. The M1s were held in reserve, apparently in the East near Kupyansk.”
...and once they showed up, they were DESTROYED.
So, whatever - Russia will just keep destroying whatever ‘Wonder-Weapons’ the Neocons send to Ukraine.
By the way, how did that ‘Second Greatest Offensive Operation Ever’ go regarding the plan to seize Belgorod? Lots of tanks and Bradleys there had a ‘one-way trip’.
Oh, never mind, you guys likely don’t even know about it, as it’s not reported in the Western media (wonder why).
In WWI, by mid 1917, the Allies managed to gain air superiority, in that their bombers and recon/spotter planes could wander at will (at the cost of significant casualties) anywhere behind the German front.
The Allies did this through numerical superiority. But of course in those days air-ground weapon systems were primitive.
A few were destroyed.
How many tanks were destroyed on the other side?
Consider the Israeli defense of the Golan heights in 1972. The Israelis lost about two Armored Brigades defending against a massive Syrian attack. The Syrians had five mechanised divisions gutted, and they failed to take the Golan heights.
“A few were destroyed. How many tanks were destroyed on the other side?”
Doesn’t matter. The Neocons are THROUGH seeing their ‘Wonder-Weapons’ being destroyed, and so that’s pretty much the end of them.
Today we ride around in a hodgepodge of vehicles, M88, M1, M2, M113, M109 all with different power packs, sprocket, track, etc. that’s a logistical nightmare.
A newer generation of vehicles can incorporate technology that didn’t exist when these older vehicles were developed, i.e. ERA, hard and soft kill defense systems, some of the sensors, displays, etc. Trying to bolt this on after the fact on vehicles never conceived for this doesn’t work as well (space, power supply, cabling, vehicles physical dimensions...)
Also, the threat has changed. In the Cold War we were on friendly ground, in a defense, predominantly in Europe. Mines and IEDs were a lesser threat. Temperatures were moderate. Roads and bridges could support a higher load. Much of your equipment was prepositioned because you knew where you were going to fight...
It does matter. War is a numbers game.
Tech is tech. “Neocons” and etc. are a propaganda narrative, not reality.
What this sort of rhetoric reminds me of is how the left gutted US power generation by creating emotional narratives against, say, nuclear or gas power plants.
Do not be like those evil people.
Yep, it is a numbers game. The Neocons gave the ukes a bunch of their ‘Wonder Weapons’ and the ukes (or whoever was driving them) got destroyed, and so no more ‘Wonder Weapons’ for the ukes.
As far as Russia goes, just like WW2, they steel keeps coming in, even if they lose some tanks along the way.
Challenger stores ammunition in the turret
Er, this is your problem. You aren’t thinking numerically, only rhetorically. SOME western equipment was destroyed. More wasn’t. In the process most of that western equipment (supplied in miserly numbers, note) has proven useful to Ukraine.
The M1s that the Ukrainians are getting is just a mobile steel box.
That way, when the Russians inspect it and build a counter accordingly, all the latest Tom Swiftie magic is a complete surprise.
The Russians are losing a heck of a lot of everything. Their stockpiles (rusty parking lots) of tanks, APCs and artillery are emptying out. Check the satellite count guys.
The Ukrainians weren’t sent tanks to succeed, they were sent tanks to keep the war going and have the military korporations grab more taxpayer money.
The worst problem is that everyone has been sending miserly numbers of everything.
Consider Patriot batteries - the US plus Nato have @110 Patriot batteries in service (the US has 80 in active service, plus @40 in reserve). They sent 3 to Ukraine.
“In the process most of that western equipment (supplied in miserly numbers, note) has proven useful to Ukraine.”
...and yet town after town keeps getting Liberated by Russia.
I know, I know, just wait another 5 years and the Sanctions will take down Russia! LOL.
Ahem. Village here, village there in this latest offensive. Actual ground taken since 2022 is minimal.
And what is this “liberated”? Did Hitler “liberate” Poland? Your mind is in a strange place.
And you bet the farm that the 3 the ukes got didn't have the latest software upgrades, that were incorporated AFTER the Gulf War targeting flaws.
While the Liberation of the newly acquired Russian territory may not be as fast as you desire, the bottom line is that virtually no Russian land is being seized by Ukraine.
Yep, and drones didn't even exist until just a few years ago. You have to ask, why were "bigger and better" tanks still being made 100 years after they were first deployed? It's those super smart generals again, preparing to win the last war.
Thank you for the clarification re FCS.
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